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First post, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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Greetings!

So I found this for sale
https://www.serdashop.com/CVX4
It is listed as a "CVX4 Vogons Tuning Edition"and "CVX4 High Quality COVOX LPT soundcard "
It is for Retro PCing and it states Vogons in the title, so there is a good chance it is sold by this site! I have contacted them asking some question about plug and play or drivers for DOS needed and they did not reply! Anyway I would like something like this so any ideas please?

Thanks

Reply 1 of 19, by NeoG_

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Can you give a summary of what you want the end result to be? Are you specifically looking for a COVOX compatible device (for which there are no DOS drivers, each game/application should support it) or are you looking for a general sound blaster compatible device that will work with most games?

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Reply 2 of 19, by keropi

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the CVX4 is basically a "Covox Speech Thing" clone , any game that supports the speech thing will also work with the CVX4
here is a list of games with direct support: https://www.mobygames.com/attributes/attribute/43/

if you search on youtube for "Covox Speech Thing" you will get a bunch of videos with history and playback demos
basically you will get sound fx in games with it - can't compare to a soundblaster for example but in some cases a LPT is all you have to work with and it's better than nothing

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Reply 3 of 19, by jansakos

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Hi!
There are multiple devices designed to be LPT sound cards. To give a quick summary, I did a little research regarding this topic and these are the main sound options:

Covox Speech Thing (Intersound MDO/8 bit DAC/CVX4/FTL Sound Adapter/SoundJR… they are all mostly compatible), Stereo-on-1, Disney Sound Source, OPL2LPT/OPL3LPT, TNDLPT, CMSLPT, S2P and Digispeech Plus DS311.

To give you a quick rundown:
Covox Speech Thing is a simple device that is supported natively (without a driver) in about a hundred games. Furthermore there are some custom drivers able to simulate Tandy sound standard, but for this you need 386 or better CPU. Sound can be quite impressive but you need a bit more powerful machine since computer has to send sound samples with the right timing. There are multiple videos showcasing the Covox Speech Thing on YouTube (LGR, The 8 Bit Guy, Retro Erik etc.) You can buy the CVX4 from Serdashop for this sound option.

Stereo-on-1 is basically the same device, but with support for stereo sound. Most of the times you have to build one yourself since there was no mass production of it. There are only a couple of games (about 20) that support it natively and the computer has to be even more powerful than with the Covox. It is a cool device but I would not recommend it for games.

Disney Sound Source was a device produced and sold by Disney. Technically it is close to Covox, but with added buffer, therefore you don't need that powerful machine. The sad reality is that although quite a few games support it natively (about 150 games), it is mostly used only for sound effects due to its poor sound quality. Again, there should be some videos on YouTube (I remember The 8 Bit Guy did video on this, but there are surely even more).

Digispeech Plus DS311 was a bit obscure device. It is Sound Blaster compatible, but only with a driver, so at least 386 is needed. Also, the device is hard to acquire and there is at this moment no modern recreation. LGR made a video on this.

OPL2LPT/OPL3LPT is a modern device sold by Serdashop. It has limited native support (just a few modern games such as Planet X3), but you can add support for most AdLib-compatible games with ADLiPT driver (again needing 386 or better). But also, there is a patchibg utility called AdPatch, which can patch drivers of some games (the list can be found on the GitHub page of the ADLiPT) and use AdLib compatibility even on older machines. But the patching utility supports about 100 games. The 8 Bit Guy made a video about it, so did LGR.

CMSLPT and TNDLPT are also modern devices sold by Serdashop. CMSLPT has driver support for Creative Music System (or Gameblaster) and TNDLPT has driver support for Tandy Sound System. Natively are these devices supported in a few modern games, but with drivers (requiring 386+) you can achieve sound support in about 100/200 games. As far as I know there are some instructions for CMSLPT patching of games, making it possible to use them even on older machines, but I have never tried it. Also, not sure whether TNDLPT has any such instructions available. These devices are compared in a video by Retro Erik.

S2P is again modern device sold by Serdashop with General MIDI compatibility. Native support is close to none, but you can use a modified version of SoftMPU for MIDI support. With it, you can get great sound in a lot of games, but again, you will need 386 or better.

picovox is a small device designed by me (hehe, product placement). It can be switched between Covox/Stereo-on-1/Disney Sound Source/OPL3LPT/CMSLPT and TNDLPT with a simple control utility available for DOS (supporting even old machines). The advantage is that you can get support for all the listed devices in a small, inexpensive device (beware, it emulates CMSLPT, not Gameblaster, you still need the correct driver program). Disadvantage is that it is a software emulation of these devices, not real chips, although the sound is pretty close. You can checkout video by Retro Erik or contact me for any questions regarding this device. You can buy it too from Serdashop, or build one yourself.

If I were you, I would buy either OPL3LPT if you want real AdLib sound for games, CVX4 if you want to listen to MOD files and demos or/and picovox if you want to try all of it and experiment a bit.

Hope that it cleared things up a little bit. In case of questions, direct them here so that anyone can answer them. Have a nice day.

Reply 4 of 19, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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keropi wrote on Yesterday, 05:51:
the CVX4 is basically a "Covox Speech Thing" clone , any game that supports the speech thing will also work with the CVX4 here i […]
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the CVX4 is basically a "Covox Speech Thing" clone , any game that supports the speech thing will also work with the CVX4
here is a list of games with direct support: https://www.mobygames.com/attributes/attribute/43/

if you search on youtube for "Covox Speech Thing" you will get a bunch of videos with history and playback demos
basically you will get sound fx in games with it - can't compare to a soundblaster for example but in some cases a LPT is all you have to work with and it's better than nothing

I watched a video by the 8 bit guy and LGR. They bough seam to say that its the game itself that will state if it is Covox compatible or not. Anyway the only program I have at the moment that I want to run is Stalker 1.0 which is a text to speech translator. I plan to add more programs and game later as I get better at it but for now....

The 8 Bit guy says that you can get the modern clone of the CVX4
Cant find them anymore and not on ebay as he explains
But all i see for that is the website that i mentioned above that have not replied to my message

Also he says that it was once $80. a complete scam IMHO for a set of say 1 dozen resistors

Reply 5 of 19, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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jansakos wrote on Today, 08:38:

If I were you, I would buy either OPL3LPT if you want real AdLib sound for games, CVX4 if you want to listen to MOD files and demos or/and picovox if you want to try all of it and experiment a bit.

To be honest I just want something that is easy and will work. As in my last post I only have stalker 1.0 (test to speech) installed at the moment, but will be installing a lot more as time goes on, so it looks like the CVX4 is probably the best one of the lot, but again serdashop did not reply to me!

Reply 6 of 19, by digger

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The_Retro_Jimmy_Club wrote on Today, 09:48:
jansakos wrote on Today, 08:38:

If I were you, I would buy either OPL3LPT if you want real AdLib sound for games, CVX4 if you want to listen to MOD files and demos or/and picovox if you want to try all of it and experiment a bit.

To be honest I just want something that is easy and will work. As in my last post I only have stalker 1.0 (test to speech) installed at the moment, but will be installing a lot more as time goes on, so it looks like the CVX4 is probably the best one of the lot, but again serdashop did not reply to me!

Seriously, go for the Picovox. It has a Covox mode which does the exact same as the CVX4, but the Picovox also has a Disney Sound Source mode, which unlocks support for a lot more games.

Why not have the flexibility?

Reply 7 of 19, by wierd_w

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It also has OPL2LPT function. A little TSR to intercept port 330, and redirect it, and you can have adlib music to go with your covox/disney digital sound.

Reply 8 of 19, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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jansakos wrote on Today, 08:38:

picovox is a small device designed by me (hehe, product placement). It can be switched between Covox/Stereo-on-1/Disney Sound Source/OPL3LPT/CMSLPT and TNDLPT with a simple control utility available for DOS (supporting even old machines). The advantage is that you can get support for all the listed devices in a small, inexpensive device (beware, it emulates CMSLPT, not Gameblaster, you still need the correct driver program). Disadvantage is that it is a software emulation of these devices, not real chips, although the sound is pretty close. You can checkout video by Retro Erik or contact me for any questions regarding this device. You can buy it too from Serdashop, or build one yourself.

So how much are you selling this picovox for ?and where do I buy it please?

Reply 10 of 19, by jansakos

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The_Retro_Jimmy_Club wrote on Today, 13:25:
jansakos wrote on Today, 08:38:

picovox is a small device designed by me (hehe, product placement). It can be switched between Covox/Stereo-on-1/Disney Sound Source/OPL3LPT/CMSLPT and TNDLPT with a simple control utility available for DOS (supporting even old machines). The advantage is that you can get support for all the listed devices in a small, inexpensive device (beware, it emulates CMSLPT, not Gameblaster, you still need the correct driver program). Disadvantage is that it is a software emulation of these devices, not real chips, although the sound is pretty close. You can checkout video by Retro Erik or contact me for any questions regarding this device. You can buy it too from Serdashop, or build one yourself.

So how much are you selling this picovox for ?and where do I buy it please?

As of now, the only official selling store is the https://www.serdashop.com/picovox Serdashop (the same where you can buy the CVX4) where it's available for 45 Euros. Or you can build it yourself (all needed resources are available on Github: https://github.com/picovox/picovox, which should cost you something around 15 Euros I suppose. The assembly is not that hard, although there is a single SMD chip (but I was able to solder it using soldering gun, it should be relatively easy).

Reply 12 of 19, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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jansakos wrote on Today, 13:38:

As of now, the only official selling store is the https://www.serdashop.com/picovox Serdashop (the same where you can buy the CVX4) where it's available for 45 Euros.

Like I said they ignored me!

jansakos wrote on Today, 13:38:

Or you can build it yourself (all needed resources are available on Github: https://github.com/picovox/picovox, which should cost you something around 15 Euros I suppose. The assembly is not that hard, although there is a single SMD chip (but I was able to solder it using soldering gun, it should be relatively easy).

But what is this? it is just a directory of folder, no schematic or anything

Reply 14 of 19, by jansakos

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The_Retro_Jimmy_Club wrote on Today, 14:24:
jansakos wrote on Today, 13:38:

As of now, the only official selling store is the https://www.serdashop.com/picovox Serdashop (the same where you can buy the CVX4) where it's available for 45 Euros.

Like I said they ignored me!

When did you write them? It is a small shop run by one person I believe, so it may take some time to get response.

The_Retro_Jimmy_Club wrote on Today, 14:24:
jansakos wrote on Today, 13:38:

Or you can build it yourself (all needed resources are available on Github: https://github.com/picovox/picovox, which should cost you something around 15 Euros I suppose. The assembly is not that hard, although there is a single SMD chip (but I was able to solder it using soldering gun, it should be relatively easy).

But what is this? it is just a directory of folder, no schematic or anything

Please, read the README file. There should be all the information, including links to hardware schematics, BOM and gerber files for direct ordering. Also link to control utility for DOS is provided in it. In case you have any questions, you can just write me.

Reply 16 of 19, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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jansakos wrote on Today, 14:46:

When did you write them? It is a small shop run by one person I believe, so it may take some time to get response.

Oabout a week ago now

jansakos wrote on Today, 14:46:

Please, read the README file. There should be all the information, including links to hardware schematics, BOM and gerber files for direct ordering. Also link to control utility for DOS is provided in it. In case you have any questions, you can just write me.

Again there is nothing there in the read me file

Reply 17 of 19, by wierd_w

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The_Retro_Jimmy_Club wrote on Today, 14:49:
wierd_w wrote on Today, 14:26:

In the readme.md, it links here
https://github.com/picovox/hardware/

Again there is nothing there!

I can see vectors and gerbers right here, in the subfolder!

https://github.com/picovox/hardware/tree/master/picovox1-DIY

(Boggle)

You can send the gerber files to say, pcbway, and get some made.

Reply 18 of 19, by The_Retro_Jimmy_Club

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wierd_w wrote on Today, 14:54:
I can see vectors and gerbers right here, in the subfolder! […]
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The_Retro_Jimmy_Club wrote on Today, 14:49:
wierd_w wrote on Today, 14:26:

In the readme.md, it links here
https://github.com/picovox/hardware/

Again there is nothing there!

I can see vectors and gerbers right here, in the subfolder!

https://github.com/picovox/hardware/tree/master/picovox1-DIY

(Boggle)

You can send the gerber files to say, pcbway, and get some made.

well thats looking better! have attached it below

But to be honest I will probably leave it as I dont understand what most of those abrivations mean! but anyway others can now find it easy now

Reply 19 of 19, by wierd_w

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Again, the gerbers.zip file contains pcb specification files. You can just upload those to pcbway, and get a set of printed circuit boards rather inexpensively.

You'll still have to solder all the components on, but the BOM and such are there as well.

Again, this repo was directly cited by the README.MD of the maker's software repo.