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First post, by bitslasher

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Greetings!

I'd like to get some community feedback on an idea I have, to see if this is something others would find useful (and worth pursuing). I'm posting this on both VCFed and Vogons, since I'm not sure there is total overlap of members.

I have a mixed collection of old PCs, some generic clones, but many are what were called "proprietary" back in the day-- IBM, Compaqs, Tandy, etc.

A common problem that these systems have is what do you do when the PSU fails? All of these old systems have a slightly different PSU designs, at least when it comes to the case and the wiring connections.

I've seen where people have made "adapters" that allow you to connect an ATX power supply to old systems, but that doesn't give you an arrangement that preserves the original machine, or even allows you to operate the machine in an assembled state.

My idea-- what if there was a modular power supply that consisted of modules that allowed standardization/reuse of the complicated parts: The high-voltage and low-voltage sections, the fitting into various different PSU enclosures, etc:

  • An AC module. This module takes in 120/240v mains and converts it to DC 12v.
  • A DC module. This module takes in the 12v from the AC module and provides /-5v and +/-12v rails, PWRGOOD, etc.
  • A backplane module. This module is what brings it all together. The backplane's job is to fit inside a specific computer's original PSU case. So the idea is you'd remove the old PSU guts, and replace it with this PCB. The PCB itself is pretty bare bone. It provides the mechanical adaptation. It has contacts that provide either connection points for external power leads (like for a generic AT PSU), or it provides a connector for whatever weird proprietary PSU connector the original PCB might have had-- think old Wyse, Compaq, IBM systems that used weird plugs or edge connectors to connect. On this back plane are also mounts for two standardized foot prints for the two modules mentioned above. The AC and DC modules. Together these 3 parts would constitute a complete power supply.
  • The AC module would connect to the PSU's original external power plug hardware.
  • The DC module would connect to the AC module via a high-amperage lead from the output of the AC module (to a connector on the DC module.)
  • The DC module would plug into a socket (40-pin connector) on the backplane. This 40-pin connector would have a standardized pinout, and is what delivers the voltage lanes to the backplane, which provides the traces to the connectors which match up to the original PSU connectors.

For the AC module, you identify a off-the-shelf 12v AC/DC power supply that can attach using standoffs. (I've identified at least 2 from different manufacturers.
For the DC module, you would buy or build it, where it is based on an open-source design I've been working on. The idea is that this part is re-usable on any of the backplanes that follow the design parameters.
For the backplane, you would buy or build it, again using an open-source design that's part of this project.

So the idea is that individuals who know how to do these things would contribute their own designs for different backplanes for their favorite PSU. Someone want to fix the flaky PSUs found in IBM PS/2 Model 50/70s? Just design a backplane that fits in the case and plug in the AC and DC modules and you're set. Once a backplane is designed, then being able to have new power supplies for these old computers is a reality, fitting in the original enclosures, preserving the original appearance and function.

To get things started, I will contribute a few backplane designs for my own collection that I would like to have these for:

  • IBM AT
  • IBM PS/2 Model 90
  • Compaq Deskpro (8086, 286, 386 - the original form factor)
  • Compaq Deskpro 386/33, 486/25, 386/33L, 486/33L, 486/50L (this is the giant desktop machine that shared architecture with the original SystemPro)
  • Compaq SystemPro, SystemPro/LT
  • Compaq 286e, 386s, 386e (these all share the same case/PSU design
  • Compaq Deskpro /m

The DC module I'm currently designing is intended to provide the equivalent power of a 200W PSU (when paired with the appropriate AC module).
I wanted to make something that would truly be a drop-in replacement for most old desktop power supplies, being able to drive old giant 5.25 hard disks, etc.
The modular design allows additional DC modules to be created that can provide even more power-- think old Compaq SystemPro systems loaded up with giant disks or an IBM PC Server 500 full of drives, etc.
Those types of designs obviously are more expensive build, and seem to be more niche, so that is an area of expansion if this initial approach works well for everyone.

As you can tell I have quite a bit of Compaq systems. They have notoriously bad PSUs-- so you can maybe get an idea of what's motivated this. 😀

I can see future backplanes for:

  • Various Tandy Desktops
  • PS/2 Models like the Model 50/70, Model 60/65/80, Model 85/95
  • Classic Dell, Gateway, Packard Bell, etc.
  • Popular clone PSU form factors
  • etc...

I thought a cool name for this project could be the "Revenant PSU" -- revenant being a spirit that reanimates a dead body, so that it can fulfil a purpose or finish unresolved business.
Seemed like a perfect name for something that takes sad dead otherwise functional computers and brings them back to life with new purpose. 😀
The name also seemed like it'd work well in conversation. Like someone says "My PS/2 Model 77's PSU died." Then the answer could be, "Just put a Revenant in it." It could work like folks use "Greaseweasel" or "GoTek" or "XTIDE" and know what they're talking about.

My intention is to publish the designs on Github once I have a working v1.0 design. If anyone has experience and expertise in PCB design and circuitry please step up and help me! This is meant to be a project for the community.

Well there's obviously a lot going on here, so I'll stop here and let anyone share their thoughts or ask questions to help me consider things I might have not thought about!

Thanks in advance for your time!

Reply 1 of 5, by digger

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Sounds like a useful project. Although we already have solutions such as the PicoPSU, in some cases, something heavier might be needed.

Definitely following this thread. Good luck!

Reply 2 of 5, by bitslasher

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digger wrote on 2026-10-22, 10:38:

Sounds like a useful project. Although we already have solutions such as the PicoPSU, in some cases, something heavier might be needed.

Definitely following this thread. Good luck!

Thank you!

So the PicoPSU is kind of my inspiration, showing what's possible.

The idea here is to make it so you can actually "fix" the PSU in your vintage computer and preserve it's functional and aesthetic state-- you'd have the same input, same switches, same everything. No DC bricks, no loose wires hanging out everywhere, etc.

This would essentially make it so you can "re-manufacture" old PSUs by swapping out the guts.

Reply 3 of 5, by TELVM

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bitslasher wrote on 2026-10-22, 10:09:

... I thought a cool name for this project could be the "Revenant PSU" -- revenant being a spirit that reanimates a dead body, so that it can fulfil a purpose or finish unresolved business ...

bitslasher wrote on 2026-10-22, 10:45:

... The idea here is to make it so you can actually "fix" the PSU in your vintage computer and preserve it's functional and aesthetic state-- you'd have the same input, same switches, same everything. No DC bricks, no loose wires hanging out everywhere, etc.

This would essentially make it so you can "re-manufacture" old PSUs by swapping out the guts.

^ Sounds extremely cool to me. 👍

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I'm gonna float the idea that came to my mind while reading your post: A "+5V strong" ATX "set of PSU guts".

We could fit it into an old (with tired capacitors and outdated, inefficient topology) 80mm-fan power supply. This would keep the classic looks of the PSU.

Or, alternatively we could fit it into some cheap modern-ish (but "+5V weak") 120mm-fan PSU. No classic looks but improved case ventilation.

With a reasonably modern topology and fresh, decent components, for long-term reliability. And while we're at it, with -12V & -5V rails.

I suspect such a thing could be of interest to the retro-PC community ...

Let the air flow!

Reply 4 of 5, by bitslasher

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TELVM wrote on 2026-10-24, 19:19:

^ Sounds extremely cool to me. 👍

Thanks!

TELVM wrote on 2026-10-24, 19:19:
I'm gonna float the idea that came to my mind while reading your post: A "+5V strong" ATX "set of PSU guts". […]
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I'm gonna float the idea that came to my mind while reading your post: A "+5V strong" ATX "set of PSU guts".

We could fit it into an old (with tired capacitors and outdated, inefficient topology) 80mm-fan power supply. This would keep the classic looks of the PSU.

Or, alternatively we could fit it into some cheap modern-ish (but "+5V weak") 120mm-fan PSU. No classic looks but improved case ventilation.

With a reasonably modern topology and fresh, decent components, for long-term reliability. And while we're at it, with -12V & -5V rails.

I suspect such a thing could be of interest to the retro-PC community ...

The last part of your post is a little confusing. It almost sounds like something an AI would respond to a prompt about "A "+5V strong" ATX "set of PSU guts" -- what does that mean?

This project will completely replace all the electronics of the old PSU. No "tired" electronics would remain.

Reply 5 of 5, by tehsiggi

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It’s overall an interesting concept per se. There are some things that immediately jump into my mind when reading through it.

The overall topology appears to rely on finding a good, already done 12V PSU (AC/DC). Depending on how much power you need for the system, it might be already a tough task to find one that fits well.
I suppose whenever you design a backplane for your “dead PSU” form factor (speaking of non ATX/AT) you’ll might have to jump for a different base PSU.

This PSU choice is also depending on the amount of power you’ll need. What amounts are we talking about overall?

Looking at what's available, I'd go with one of the larger brands, like the MeanWell EPP-200-12 - 200W, 12V with PFC and <0.5W standby

From a design perspective, I’d make the backplane get the 12V directly from the 12V PSU, as that voltage has to go to the connectors anyways eventually.
The DC/DC part(s) could get the 12V via their backplane connector. Similar how it’s done in modern DC/DC based PSUs anyway. This way the only interface that has to match it the backplane connector + the form factor of the DC/DC module.

If you plan on using the PSU powered by 12V directly, you can just omit the AC/DC supply and connect a 12V jack to the backplane.

Then, coming to what TELVM mentioned, I’d keep in mind that people might need different configurations.

The most demanding rails will always be 12V, 5V and 3.3V. 12V being whatever the AD/DC part offers, and 5V + 3.3V depending on whatever the PSU needs to feed. Socket A for example loves to eat 5V. There could be backplanes with more than one DC/DC socket, allowing for interesting configurations on the low voltage rails:

- single combined 5V + 3.3V module, that provides the usual 20A each
- single 5V module with 40A output
- single 3.3V module with 40A output

(The single voltage modules could be built the same and just be configurable for the right output voltage).

For the negative rails, I’d just slam then on the backplate. The current needed is tiny and you could just have it on that backplate at all time. Give 0.5A or 1A for each and be good. If not, one could have a small module instead that provides the native rails and can be put in optionally.

Then we have the question of soft vs hard power switch.

If you replace pre-ATX era stuff, you’ll probably want to go with hard-power-switching like in the original. Otherwise you’d have to provide a good replacement for the power button in the case. That means additional wiring efforts. Either directly between the AC/DC module or the backplane could have a section to manage the AC wiring as well and expose something like faston connectors to easily connect everything together. (Please no screw terminals).

For soft power you’ll be able to choose two approaches. Either you use a 12V supply with a very low standby power consumption, have it always on and then switch the 12V going to the connectors and DC/DC (just disabling the DC/DC will not suffice, 12V will still need to be switched). Or you have a secondary small standby power supply and switch the 12V PSU’s AC voltage.

For ATX style replacements you’ll need 5V standby anyways. So either do it via 5V DCDC from the 12V rail or the secondary stand by PSU.

Happy to jump in on discussions, like the topic a lot. But being universal always comes at a cost.


bitslasher wrote on Today, 05:42:

The last part of your post is a little confusing. It almost sounds like something an AI would respond to a prompt about "A "+5V strong" ATX "set of PSU guts" -- what does that mean?

He basically appears to think about designing a ATX power supply board that is strong on the 5V rail to fit into existing modern ATX PSU housings. To get good 5V performance with reliable components, rather than refurbishing old PSUs.

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