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Basic Joystick question

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First post, by Dave B

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Hello all,
quick question. While I am looking to use it in some current titles as well, I am looking into a joystick for Space Flight games through DOSBOX. What modern USB joysticks have you all had good luck with working in older sims, like the Lucas Arts games as well as Wing Commander series?
Prefering something modern with HAT and Throttle, but please link or drop a name of anything you have had good luck with thus far.

THANKS!

Reply 1 of 6, by ripa

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I'm using a Microsoft SideWinder Precision 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SideWi … der#Precision_2). Hat, throttle and rudder functionality are game-dependent. They work fine in Descent and Hind for example. I think hat functionality always needs joystick=ch or joystick=fcs.

Reply 2 of 6, by Dave B

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Nice, I have one of the old Precision joysticks somewhere. I just remember having a heck of a time getting it to work in XP, as I was looking for something for WIndows 7 AND DosBox. Does your behave fine in current OS's?

Reply 3 of 6, by ripa

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Precision 2 is USB and at least on Windows XP it works out of the box without having to install any extra drivers. Haven't tried in other OSs.

Reply 4 of 6, by susiapfelsaft

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as "ripa" mentioned, throttle, hat and 4 buttons do work well simultaneously in dosbox with any usb-joystick connected. but in contrast to "descent" the majority of games with advanced joystick support (FCS or Flightstick) lack support of one of these features. i think this has one of the following reasons (please correct my assumptions if they are wrong):

Thrustmaster.) In some titles throttle does not work because dosbox is not able to simulate the supporting WCS device. some games seem to completely ignore the X/Y-axis of the 2nd joystick which dosbox simulates for the FCS, because the game is looking for the WCS throttle-axis.

CH.) Some games do not support a Flightstick Pro, but only the Flightstick. This joystick does not have a hat, so do not expect any hat-support for these games. But even if the game supports explicitly a flightstick pro like "armored fist" does, hat works but throttle won't. Other examples are "comanche" or "F-15 III", here booth hat and throttle work (if you switch the 2nd x- and y-axis if i remember correct) but you get only 2 buttons in these titles ;-(

So if you don't want to map joystick- to keyboard-events with the dosbox mapper (CTRL-F1), playing simulations isn't currently very fun because of these joystick problems. maybe some future dosbox versions will tackle this problems.

Reply 5 of 6, by h-a-l-9000

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What is a WCS device?
Sometimes you need swap34=true with joysticktype=fcs as apparently they swapped axes 3 and 4 when USB joysticks were introduced.

1+1=10

Reply 6 of 6, by susiapfelsaft

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the WCS is an extra throttle for the FCS for a so called "hands on throttle and stick" setup.

i think that the HAT buttons on a FCS are implemented as threshold values of one of the Axis of the 2nd stick, thats why you sometimes have to change 3 and 4.