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First post, by noshutdown

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requirements:

1. good support for new web page standards, like css.
2. good compatibility for multimedia embeds.
3. less resource consumption(ram and cpu).
4. stable running and less crashing.
5. can run on windows9x or nt.

which one to use, firefox, opera or chrome?

Reply 1 of 16, by nforce4max

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Opera and unlike Firefox that can easily suck up to 2gb of ram runs on little as 128-192mb that isn't to demanding for low spec rigs.

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Reply 2 of 16, by Dominus

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don'T connect your retro rig to the internet is my advice...
And you probably need to find the versions that still run on windows 9x, Operas website isn't too forthcoming at first glance on which version still runs on W9x (or whether it still runs on W9x anyway)

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Reply 3 of 16, by elianda

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Firefox can work very well also will low memory systems. You just have to tune the config for your amount of memory. By default there are some fixed settings for memory usage that are not suitable for low mem systems.
Long ago there was already this discussion here somewhere and I did some video with FF 2.0.0.23 on NT4 (P166MMX) with taskmanager running on top. I can't find the thread at the moment.

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Reply 4 of 16, by nforce4max

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elianda wrote:

Firefox can work very well also will low memory systems. You just have to tune the config for your amount of memory. By default there are some fixed settings for memory usage that are not suitable for low mem systems.
Long ago there was already this discussion here somewhere and I did some video with FF 2.0.0.23 on NT4 (P166MMX) with taskmanager running on top. I can't find the thread at the moment.

Getting older versions of firefox isn't easy for most people and second it forces updates to version 13 which is the latest. It is bloatware as far as browsers are concerned now days.

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Reply 7 of 16, by Dominus

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second it forces updates to version 13 which is the latest

hence my advice to not connect a retro rig to the net at all. You won't get the latest version of Opera, Firefox or Internet Explorer running on Windows 9x or Windows NT 4.x machines. So you are running into security problems either way. Firefox at least tries to get users to the newest version (though I'm not sure they are enforcing this on windows 9x).
So my advice stands, don't connect it to the internet or if you do, don't bother with an extra browser, just use the built in Internet Explorer.

Oh, btw., just please leave the flame bait of the browser wars out...

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Reply 8 of 16, by GXL750

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How retro are we talking? If the thing has a Pentium II and 256mb ram, the latest version of Firefox is fine once you tune some settings, install AdBlock and make sure you never let Flash near that thing. NoScript is a good thing too.

Anything older, you'll have to give up features. An old version of Firefox, maybe version 3. Or hunt down a copy of Netscape 4.

If you're using a 486 or a Pentium, I'd use IE5 or 6 depending on the OS. A lot of pages will be buggy and security is a crapshoot but IE is the only browser I know of with tolerable performance for a 15 year old rig.

Reply 9 of 16, by swaaye

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If it's a fairly fast retro machine running Win9x, like a Pentium 3 or better, I'll use Opera 10.63. But I don't install Flash unless absolutely necessary.

On older stuff, I'll just use IE5.5/6 as others have said.

Reply 10 of 16, by noshutdown

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i had been trying ie6sp1 on win98se last year(on a pentium3 rig), and it stops responding easily, and you all know that terminating a program which had stopped responding in win98 would lead to bsod in most cases, forcing to reboot.

Reply 11 of 16, by leileilol

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On Windows 98SE + KernelEx I had Opera 11.5 which only really had some fontography errors (ludicrous boxes) but is still 'usable' on Pentium class machines.

On anything less i'd sacrifice some features to use OffByOne which is extremely fast.

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Reply 12 of 16, by Machine_1760

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No love for K-meleon here?

fast, light, renders pages correctly, has tabs, a download manager and best of all you can configure EVERYTHING from config files. I've been using it on an old P166 laptop with 32Mb RAM and it only seems to slow down when you get up to four or five tabs open. Documentation suggests it will even run on a 486.
I was even using it on my 'main' systems for a while earlier this year.

Give it a go - I was pleasantly surprised

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

Reply 14 of 16, by RacoonRider

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I use Opera 9 on a 233MMX with 64MB RAM, it's rather slow though. But I don't blame Opera, I thinks the modern resource-sucking websites are more of a problem.

Whinchever browser you chose, you can get and old version here: http://www.oldapps.com/

Reply 15 of 16, by feipoa

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For Windows NT 4.0 and a fast 486, my preferance is IE6. IE6 seems to load the quickest and displays most pages correctly formatted. The latest version of Opera I use on this system is 8.53, but it is noticeably slower than IE6. Firefox 2.0.16 is the latest Firefox to run on NT 4.0 and a 486, but it loads and runs too slow for most simple web pages, even with all the settings optimised for a slow system. Several years ago, I tested K-Meleon and it ran well on this 486 w/NT 4.0, but it didn't display as many web pages correctly as compared to Opera 8.5, so I eventually stopped using it. Microsoft Web Outlook stills runs very quickly on IE6 w/NT 4.0 and my 486.

noshutdown wrote:

i had been trying ie6sp1 on win98se last year(on a pentium3 rig), and it stops responding easily, and you all know that terminating a program which had stopped responding in win98 would lead to bsod in most cases, forcing to reboot.

I also had this issue with Win98 SE, however I found that in many cases, if you let IE6 hang out for a few minutes in its frozen state, it would eventually come around. Trying to force close a slow IE6 in Win98 is a bad idea.

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Reply 16 of 16, by Stull

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nforce4max wrote:

Getting older versions of firefox isn't easy for most people and second it forces updates to version 13 which is the latest. It is bloatware as far as browsers are concerned now days.

See "Legacy Versions" here:

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable