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First post, by Ace

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Soon after I picked up that 486 motherboard I asked about, I now find myself with two new motherboards to mess around with:

-A 286 motherboard loaded with 640KB of RAM, a 10MHz Intel 286 and a Cyrix 287XL
-A Socket 4 motherboard with a 60MHz Pentium on it and the maximum 512KB of cache

The 286 board works fine, but the Socket 4 motherboard has problems. First problem: the battery leaked so much, it destroyed a trace linking a component to the keyboard port. I've bypassed that broken trace with a small piece of IDE ribbon cable, but have since discovered a bigger problem.

After I fixed up the broken trace, I loaded the RAM slots with some 72-pin SIMMs and discovered a bigger problem. As soon as I flick on the power on the power supply I have hooked up to the motherboard, the power supply shuts off. To me, that sounds like a short, and sure enough, my multimeter confirmed this. The short is between -12V and Ground, and I cannot figure out where this short is. I know the ISA slots have -12V on them and there's a tantalum capacitor on the -12V rail that goes to Ground, which leads me to these questions:

-If a tantalum capacitor goes bad, can it cause a short?
-What else could use -12V on a motherboard like this?

If pictures are needed of the motherboard, I'll post some later today.

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Reply 1 of 6, by archsan

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Serial/COM ports maybe?

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Reply 2 of 6, by MaxWar

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Apparently, short is the main failure symptom of Tantalum caps.

If you dont find anything else I guess its worth it to unsolder the cap just to make sure.

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Reply 3 of 6, by Ace

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Considering tantalum capacitors short out when they're bad and there's no visible short on the motherboard, that sounds about right. I see two tantalum capacitors on the -12V rail, so I'll desolder them one by one to see which one is bad.

EDIT: Found the faulty cap and removed it. I don't have a replacement cap, though, so I just tried to let the motherboard POST and got nothing. No video and nothing from the PC speaker. I think the capacitor isn't just there for filtering the -12V rail, but rather to deliver -12V somewhere.

I do wonder, though: would I be able to temporarily use an electrolytic capacitor in place of the tantalum capacitor? I've got a lot of electrolytic capacitors lying around, so I can use one of those, it would be easier for me.

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Reply 4 of 6, by Tetrium

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Ace wrote:

Considering tantalum capacitors short out when they're bad and there's no visible short on the motherboard, that sounds about right. I see two tantalum capacitors on the -12V rail, so I'll desolder them one by one to see which one is bad.

EDIT: Found the faulty cap and removed it. I don't have a replacement cap, though, so I just tried to let the motherboard POST and got nothing. No video and nothing from the PC speaker. I think the capacitor isn't just there for filtering the -12V rail, but rather to deliver -12V somewhere.

I do wonder, though: would I be able to temporarily use an electrolytic capacitor in place of the tantalum capacitor? I've got a lot of electrolytic capacitors lying around, so I can use one of those, it would be easier for me.

I will be following this thread as I have a similar issue with a 486 board of mine. Except the tantalum cap exploded 😵

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Reply 5 of 6, by swaaye

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I suppose this means that the Rendition V2200 reference card I have which is covered with tantalum caps might blow up someday. Can they be easily replaced with electrolytic caps?

Reply 6 of 6, by MaxWar

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I built a circuit recently where the author said one of the ceramic cap could be replaced by a Tantalum.

My uneducated guess is that Tantalum can probably be replaced by electrolytics in most cases. From what i read seems like they are mostly used vs. Electrolytics because of smaller size and slightly better precision. But
I would be curious to see an experts advice on this.

Seems like tants can blow up because of voltage spikes. Or if you install them backward and they can bang pretty hard. 🤣, I almost wanna try on a protoboard just for fun.

I guess if you want to recap after an explosion incident, its no longer possible to read the value on the cap...

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