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First post, by Dant

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So, out of mere curiosity, I've taken to doing a bit of research on the PICMG 1.0 based single board computer stuff, and, if the prices weren't absolutely outrageous, it would be a bit interesting to have, more or less, fully modular CPU/chipset combos in one machine that we could switch out to solve speed issues/have faster that usual CPUs with ISA hardware.

Now this has certain disadvantages:
You're not going to mix PCI-E and ISA, ever it seems

No AGP support, with the only exception being an SBC that has a 'mini' AGP card slot on it, so only AGP cards made for a very little, and generally portable, uses, hard to find cards for, interface.

Due to the 'backplane' nature of these boards, I have a feeling that I/O bus saturation may be very, very easy to cause, probably limiting the usefulness of them.

Cost. Around $200 for a given SBC. At least backplanes are <100

That said, the CPU ranges are absolutely insane, ranging from 486s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AAEON-SBC-492-full-si … =item3f17f7974a
to early Core 2 CPUs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advantech-PCA-6194G2- … =item2ec0eba59f
and if you're willing to drop the PCI support, then you can go as low as a 386SX.

Even some exotic stuff, like Socket 8, Dual Slot 1, dual socket 370 w/ 440BX, dual socket 601, and some Geode and other specialized embedded x86 stuff, like this one 486 compatible that took DDR, that I saw, that would be interesting to play with.

The backplanes usually give favorable amounts of expansion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ICS-PCI-14p12-15-slot … =item5d36e9ed7b
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portwell-pbp-14A7-14- … =item41702a7fab
So, there is that advantage.

Has anyone attempted to do a build with SBC/PICMG hardware? Or was the cost too much to justify it?

Reply 1 of 3, by luckybob

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I have a few pieces. Mostly acquired completely by chance. I have 2 sbcs, 2 large and 1 tiny back-plane. One of the 2 sbcs I have is pc/104 capable as well. It actually used to be my home server. Now it has developed a few bulging caps and was retired.

Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. - Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

Reply 2 of 3, by Dant

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luckybob wrote:

I have a few pieces. Mostly acquired completely by chance. I have 2 sbcs, 2 large and 1 tiny back-plane. One of the 2 sbcs I have is pc/104 capable as well. It actually used to be my home server. Now it has developed a few bulging caps and was retired.

Interesting. What kind of CPUs/Chipsets were they?

Reply 3 of 3, by luckybob

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1 is a pentium pro 440FX chipset. I've actually NEVER even turned it on. I got it because it came with 4x 64mb fpm simms and well, its been sitting in a box for years.

#2 i actually used for a long time, I forget the chipset, I know it was an intel. I want to say 440bx. socket 370 max 8.5x100 cpu. It came in a "pizzabox" setup and while I've long since tossed the case I kept everything else. It looks almost identical to this: http://www.rackmount.com/SBC/SBC-630.htm except mine only has 1 10/100 and no scsi. 🙁

Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. - Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam