northernosprey02 wrote:

Just two days ago, I got old computer which formerly used in my mother's office. It has Intel Celeron Willamette 1.7 GHz processors, but it has no RAM.

I want asking question about this processor, how fast this Celeron Willamette processor? And it is okay to using Windows 98 on it?

Windows 98 should run fine on it.

Edit:If you can, upgrade the processor to a regular Pentium 4.

Tetrium wrote:

northernosprey02 wrote:

Just two days ago, I got old computer which formerly used in my mother's office. It has Intel Celeron Willamette 1.7 GHz processors, but it has no RAM.

I want asking question about this processor, how fast this Celeron Willamette processor? And it is okay to using Windows 98 on it?

Windows 98 should run fine on it.

Edit:If you can, upgrade the processor to a regular Pentium 4.

Is Pentium 4 2.53 GHz Northwood enough for me? It was easy to find in my city! However it has 845GL chipset which doesn't support 533 MHz FSB.

When I looking at the motherboard it was MSI 845GLM mobo, so I found the CPU support by googling. According to MSI website, it support 533 MHz Northwood Pentium 4 processor. It is okay when I install P4 2.53 GHz on this PC?

willamette is a poor performer, a northwood 1.6a would outperform a willamette 1.8g or celeron 2.0

i think a willie celeron is even slower than a 1ghz PIII. the 256k cache real willamettes are not that bad. most of them go 2.1- 2.2ghz if you're lucky. i ran a 1.8 at 2.1ghz in one of my rigs and it was pretty good. bout the same as a northie 2.0a (which i also had).

According to MSI website, it support 533 MHz Northwood Pentium 4 processor.

I'm not sure where you found that, the MSI site I found only lists 400FSB support...

And that makes sense, because the 845GL is a low-cost version of the 845G, and one of the main limitations of it is that it only supports 400FSB. The 845GV was same as the 845GL but added 533FSB support.

So you can upgrade to a P4, but it'll have to be one of the 400FSB versions. There were 400FSB Northwoods up to 2.6ghz, I believe, but the 1.8 and 2.0 are much easier to find, and even one of those will be far better than a Willamette Celeron.

I would recommend thinking long and hard before putting any money or effort into that machine though... between the 400FSB and the fact that you're limited to the onboard graphics, that thing is going to be a dog no matter what you do.

A long time ago I benchmarked a P3-S 1.4GHz/512KB vs a Willamette 2.0GHz with PC133 SDRAM. They were about equal at those clock speeds. PC133 was crippling for the P4 though. All the old benchmarks show that Willamette ran better with Rambus, so I assume it also benefits from DDR as your board uses.

A Northwood core (even at 400FSB) with DDR266 would be faster than any P3 at least, but not nearly as fast as some better P4 systems.
The lack of AGP really bites though. Honestly, if this is for a game system then I wouldn't use that board.

Aaargh, willamette's were horrible CPU's.

That 845 SDRAM platform didn't do P4's reputation any favors... With dual channel DDR or RDRAM things are much better.

shamino wrote:

A long time ago I benchmarked a P3-S 1.4GHz/512KB vs a Willamette 2.0GHz with PC133 SDRAM. They were about equal at those clock speeds. PC133 was crippling for the P4 though ...

DDR doesn't save the Willamettes from being gnawed on by my i440BX Tualatin 1400-S @ 1575/150 carnosaur 🤣 .

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I'm not sure where you found that, the MSI site I found only lists 400FSB support... […]
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According to MSI website, it support 533 MHz Northwood Pentium 4 processor.

I'm not sure where you found that, the MSI site I found only lists 400FSB support...

And that makes sense, because the 845GL is a low-cost version of the 845G, and one of the main limitations of it is that it only supports 400FSB. The 845GV was same as the 845GL but added 533FSB support.

So you can upgrade to a P4, but it'll have to be one of the 400FSB versions. There were 400FSB Northwoods up to 2.6ghz, I believe, but the 1.8 and 2.0 are much easier to find, and even one of those will be far better than a Willamette Celeron.

I would recommend thinking long and hard before putting any money or effort into that machine though... between the 400FSB and the fact that you're limited to the onboard graphics, that thing is going to be a dog no matter what you do.

Do you found the 845GLM or 845GLMS CPU support? The MSI 845GLMS only support 400FSB. Here's the CPU support for MSI 845GLM:
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/845GLM.html#/?div=CPUSupport

shamino wrote:

The lack of AGP really bites though. Honestly, if this is for a game system then I wouldn't use that board.

The only way to buy video card is GeForce 6200 PCI. Is it worth for gaming?

northernosprey02 wrote:

shamino wrote:

The lack of AGP really bites though. Honestly, if this is for a game system then I wouldn't use that board.

The only way to buy video card is GeForce 6200 PCI. Is it worth for gaming?

I don't know much about that card. But I would guess it's probably not very good. It also depends what age of games you want it to handle.
If you can find a board with AGP, it would be much better for games than PCI.

TELVM wrote:

DDR doesn't save the Willamettes from being gnawed on by my i440BX Tualatin 1400-S @ 1575/150 carnosaur 🤣 .

The 440BX and the Tualatin were 2 of the best chips Intel ever made. It's a shame they never made an officially supported BX133 chipset with Tualatin support. That combination is a beast. It's awesome to see setups like yours that make it happen.
It seems right when they had such great chips at their disposal, they started sandbagging the P3 architecture to make the Willy look good.

shamino wrote:

northernosprey02 wrote:

shamino wrote:

The lack of AGP really bites though. Honestly, if this is for a game system then I wouldn't use that board.

The only way to buy video card is GeForce 6200 PCI. Is it worth for gaming?

I don't know much about that card. But I would guess it's probably not very good. It also depends what age of games you want it to handle.
If you can find a board with AGP, it would be much better for games than PCI.

I am only playing old games and watching movie

TELVM wrote:

shamino wrote:

A long time ago I benchmarked a P3-S 1.4GHz/512KB vs a Willamette 2.0GHz with PC133 SDRAM. They were about equal at those clock speeds. PC133 was crippling for the P4 though ...

DDR doesn't save the Willamettes from being gnawed on by my i440BX Tualatin 1400-S @ 1575/150 carnosaur 🤣 .

In any memory intensive or video benchmark, the Tualatin would be around a 2.0Ghz Willie. But pure CPU benchmarks....that's a different story. My own benchmarks using AIDA64 's cpu queen etc also confirm a Tualatin @ 1.6ghz (152mhz fsb) to be faster than a 2.8ghz 'B' Northwood.... amazing!!!

No wonder Netburst ultimately went extinct, while P6 kept thriving finally evolving into Core via Pentium-M.

Tualatin, Pentium M, Core and Core 2 were all designed by the same group AFAIK. Core 2 has some Netburst in it.

They also had a P3-based Celeron with IGP integrated (Timna) but it was never released. Prototypes are out there.

swaaye wrote:

... They also had a P3-based Celeron with IGP integrated (Timna) but it was never released. Prototypes are out there.

Interesting, had never heard of Timna. Seems it was killed as collateral damage in the 'Caminogate'/RAMBUS disaster.

Engineering sample
http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11663