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First post, by senrew

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Yet another part I found in that last big haul. I've never had a machine old enough to use something like this so I have no clue where this thing fits in the big hierarchy of video cards.

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I was able to determine the name in the subject from identifying the chips on the board. The basic XL24 models are stupposed to have a mouse port and whatnot but this one does not.

Can anyone verify the identity of the card for me, and maybe tell me what it's capabilities and what era of hardware this would be a good fit? Pre-386 years from what I've been able to find but again, these years are before my original experience.

Halcyon: PC Chips M525, P100, 64MB, Millenium 1, Voodoo1, AWE64, DVD, Win95B

Reply 1 of 8, by senrew

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I just tried the driver set that Elianda put on the drivers page for the ATI Wonder series, but when I ran the vinstall program to setup the card, it says it won't work on this model.

Any suggestions?

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Ok, tried the ULTRA Graphics drivers there and that seemed to do the trick. However, I don't have color coming from the card. Oh well, just something to play around with I guess.

Halcyon: PC Chips M525, P100, 64MB, Millenium 1, Voodoo1, AWE64, DVD, Win95B

Reply 2 of 8, by snorg

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I have one of these myself, I think it would be right at home in a 286 or slower 386. Basically, anything without a faster bus than 16 bit ISA would probably like this card just fine. Don't know that I can help you on the drivers. Does ATI/AMD host legacy stuff?

Reply 3 of 8, by Anonymous Coward

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Yes indeed, the card is the ATi Graphics Ultra. It's an 8514 Ultra and VGA Wonder+ all crammed into one card. The VGA Wonder+ drivers should work with it. The main difference between the +, XL and XL24 VGA wonder cards are true colour and high colour support. Unfortunately Graphics Ultra (Mach8) does not support higher than 8 bit modes. Not sure why there's no mouse port, I thought it was standard. Maybe it's a budget version? This card was also later rebadged as VGA Wonder GT.

You will find that this card stores its setting on an eeprom. You need to run the install and make sure you have the BIOS and bus set to 16-bit mode. It sounds like it's also running in gray scale mode. The setup will let you change it to colour.

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Reply 4 of 8, by Robin4

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senrew wrote:
I just tried the driver set that Elianda put on the drivers page for the ATI Wonder series, but when I ran the vinstall program […]
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I just tried the driver set that Elianda put on the drivers page for the ATI Wonder series, but when I ran the vinstall program to setup the card, it says it won't work on this model.

Any suggestions?

EDIT:

Ok, tried the ULTRA Graphics drivers there and that seemed to do the trick. However, I don't have color coming from the card. Oh well, just something to play around with I guess.

If you look on the card, its from 1990. So it should fitt fine in an 286 machine.. I have 5 of those ATI wonder XL myself. They came with full box and some advertisements included the farite cable non-interference blocks too.
I have also got the drivers and manual here.. My version have the bus mouse version included.

~ At least it can do black and white~

Reply 5 of 8, by vlask

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snorg wrote:

Does ATI/AMD host legacy stuff?

Nah, ofc not. Thats too much space on their servers. It could take space of one modern driver, they all need it for fancy graphics and animations......
Few years ago they had there Rage drivers, but these are gone too since merging with AMD. Any web redesign = delete of old drivers.
Think that best support of old cards have S3, but even them missing any dos drivers for their oldest cards. Dont think that any of these companies would be able to put old drivers to download even if they wanted - they probably wont find them.

Im not even able to confirm ati's first chip, cause theres no picture of it anywhere, and company itself isn't able even write anything anywhere about its own history. They dont care bout their history, only thing they care is making more money now...

btw card should be ATI Color Emulation Card (source: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/articles/oldestaticard/ ), but cant confirm it cause no picture of it.

Last edited by vlask on 2014-03-13, 20:19. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 6 of 8, by senrew

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Well, I did some more testing. The card was in monochrome mode, or rather, greyscale for awhile but is not a monochrome purple.

I tried running the install program to set the card settings and was able to put it into vga full color mode but it still didn't change it away from the monochrome. I think there may be something wrong with it after all this time. Oh well.

Halcyon: PC Chips M525, P100, 64MB, Millenium 1, Voodoo1, AWE64, DVD, Win95B

Reply 8 of 8, by Anonymous Coward

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If you're getting purple, then perhaps there is something wrong with the green signal. Check for bad solder joints on the connector, and make sure your monitor cable is good.

"Will the highways on the internets become more few?" -Gee Dubya
V'Ger XT|Upgraded AT|Ultimate 386|Super VL/EISA 486|SMP VL/EISA Pentium