cdoublejj wrote:

Has any one tried the new IDE SSDs they sell on Newegg and eBay yet?

No but curious as to what's inside. Maybe an IDE to SATA adapter?

Also got any links?

I don't know that they're "new" - IDE/PATA SSDs have been around for many years, and my understanding is they're basically CF cards in a 2.5" package with proper connectors. Performance is usually not on par with modern TOTL SSDs like those from Samsung/Intel/OCZ.

When SSDs first came out, costing as much as a computer, I remember seeing them in IDE. Or at least I thought I did, but I wasn't paying close attention to them back then (still don't, really).
I figured IDE SSDs would forever be rare. I never would have expected somebody to release them today, so that's kind of cool, but if they're really just CF inside then that's a bit disappointing.

I'm telling you once you tried a modern SATA drive (Seagate) + 32 GB limit through SeaTools + SATA to IDE adapter you won't have storage problems anymore 😀

obobskivich wrote:

I don't know that they're "new" - IDE/PATA SSDs have been around for many years, and my understanding is they're basically CF cards in a 2.5" package with proper connectors. Performance is usually not on par with modern TOTL SSDs like those from Samsung/Intel/OCZ.

CF cards built to plug directly into IDE port are called "Disk On Module". These things are widely used in commercial computers that show adds all day long. Do they qualify as IDE SSDs?

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:

I'm telling you once you tried a modern SATA drive (Seagate) + 32 GB limit through SeaTools + SATA to IDE adapter you won't have storage problems anymore 😀

Why use SATA to IDE adapter when you can use a S-ATA PCI card with much higher transfer speeds and no size restrictions? The only reason I see to use SATA to IDE is to save a PCI slot and some boot time. With no BIOS restrictions there is no reason to format the drive to 32GB. Just make a 32GB partition if you need it, and the rest of the drive you can do whatever you want with. SATA PCI cards also work on motherboards which has a 8.4GB BIOS limit or lower.

Because I don't want to use SATA controllers but the on-board IDE controllers that the boards come with 😀 I do use one in my Super Socket 7 time machine but on my other setups I just prefer using my modern 32 GB IDE drive 😀

Once you hit Pentium 4 it's SATA onboard anyway.

RacoonRider wrote:

CF cards built to plug directly into IDE port are called "Disk On Module". These things are widely used in commercial computers that show adds all day long. Do they qualify as IDE SSDs?

I've unfortunately seen them advertised as such... 😵 (technically I think they do qualify since they're flash-based storage)

But what I'm thinking of, and what I assume the original thread question is thinking of, are the somewhat larger capacity (say 32-128GB) models that fit a 2.5" form factor, instead of plugging directly into the board. One advantage that provides is you can use both channels of the PATA interface (you can do the same with certain CF-to-PATA adapters as well).

vetz wrote:

Why use SATA to IDE adapter when you can use a S-ATA PCI card with much higher transfer speeds and no size restrictions?

Some chipsets have separate IDE, so you can save PCI bandwidth for other devices.

Decided to dump CF cards for msata SSDs, there are heaps of adapters available now days and the msata SSDs are getting down to CF card prices.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … N82E16820208893

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It … N82E16820208894

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KingSpec-PATA-IDE-44P … =item3ce4a9290e

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KingSpec-PATA-IDE-44P … =item3ce4a93fd7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KingSpec-PATA-IDE-44P … =item3a9321d1c1

One day i'm gonna pick a few up for my retro rig and Toughbook.

nforce4max wrote:

Decided to dump CF cards for msata SSDs, there are heaps of adapters available now days and the msata SSDs are getting down to CF card prices.

I take it no issues at all?

EDIT: as far as limiting sata drives have you tried "stroking" them and no i'm not talking about engines 😜 I might guess the 32gb limit is probably the same thing. hard for latency to go up when the head barley has to travel past the near edge of the platter.

Still not cheap enough IMO. You can get a new Seagate SATA 500 GB and with SeaTools + $3 SATA to IDE adapter turn it into an IDE drive of whatever capacity you like. 32 GB, 64 GB, 128 GB...

edited my post.

even with stroking wouldn't an SSD still be faster in some repsects? i know for the Toughbook it's no brainier since it has no moving parts. then again in retro laptops there isn't room for adapters so at least for desktops stroking may be a better option.

cdoublejj wrote:

edited my post.

even with stroking wouldn't an SSD still be faster in some repsects? i know for the Toughbook it's no brainier since it has no moving parts. then again in retro laptops there isn't room for adapters so at least for desktops stroking may be a better option.

Yes I can only speak for desktops 😀 I did a rough test using my automated Windows 98SE installation and found basically no difference in Installation times. Both took around 8 minutes on a fast Windows 98. But I might test again just to be sure. Personally I will stick to platter drives at the moment.