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First post, by tayyare

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I already had a nice, working copy of an XP machine with the below mentioned essentials (which was my main rig till mid 2009):

AMD Athlon 64 3700+
Asus K8N-E Deluxe 3GB (1GB x 3 Kingston DDR 400)
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3600 512 MB AGP
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 PCI
plus HDDs, DVDRWs, floppy, SCSI controller, etc.

I recently tried to make an upgrade with some parts that I scored locally for reasonable prices:

Asus K8N4-E Deluxe (with PCIe slot)
Sparkle nVidia 98000GX2 PCIe

Board works like a charm, but since I made a very noob mistake, GX2 does not (too big to install into current case and I definitely not want to change the case) so it temporarily has a PCI Radeon 9250 at the moment as GPU.

While I was checking local ebay equivalents for suitable size G92 cards, I also find a new and boxed Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe coupled with an AMD Athlon X2 3800+ for 60 USD. I also find the short V92 of my choice (ZOTAC GeForce GTS 250 ECO 1GB) for 35 USD, and the seller has more than one on hand.

So there is a new opportunity. I can easily go for just one of the Zotac's and be happy, or buy the new CPU/mobo combo and one more ZOTAC to try a SLI setup. In addition to having a SLI setup, it has support for 4GB RAM (3GB max with my current board) and CPU upgrade options up to AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ or FX60 (current mobo has only up to Athlon64 3700+/Turion64 4000+). On the down side, the additional cost will be about 100 USD.

Purpose of this machine at the moment is playing games that works under XP and from 2000-2007, running some obscure software which are not happy with Windows 7 (like my old trusty AutoCAD Light 2002) and as a backup machine to my main rig. The role will not be changed in the foreseeable future.

So, mates, what do you think?

- Does 100 USD worth for the additional power that I would get? (K8N4E/A64 3700+/GTS250/3GB vs. A8N-SLI/AX2 3800+/GTS250x2 SLI/4GB)

- If it does, then, does 65 USD more for a Athlon 64 X2 4800+ compared to combined Athlon X2 3800+?

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 1 of 7, by Skyscraper

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If you do decide to upgrade I would spend most of the money on the motherboard and as little as possible on a new dual core CPU. High end socket 939 CPUs isnt reasonable priced and an overclocked 3800X2 (even using only stock voltage) will keep up with the 4800X2 just fine.

When it come to motherboards things are a bit different, the top boards (DFI boards and Asus A8N32-SLI) use solid caps in their VRM circuits so they should be more durable and last longer. The Asus A8N32-SLI is a really nice motherboard so if you feel you need a new board that would be my recommendation even if the prices are outrageous.

In my book the Geforce GTX 285 is the top choice for XP but its also a large card and only worth it if you play at 1920*1200 with AA and stuff. A single GTX 250 should be enough for 99.9% of the games you can/want to play using a K8 system.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 2 of 7, by tayyare

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Skyscraper wrote:

If you do decide to upgrade I would spend most of the money on the motherboard and as little as possible on a new dual core CPU. High end socket 939 CPUs isnt reasonable priced and an overclocked 3800X2 (even using only stock voltage) will keep up with the 4800X2 just fine.

When it come to motherboards things are a bit different, the top boards (DFI boards and Asus A8N32-SLI) use solid caps in their VRM circuits so they should be more durable and last longer. The Asus A8N32-SLI is a really nice motherboard so if you feel you need a new board that would be my recommendation even if the prices are outrageous.

In my book the Geforce GTX 285 is the top choice for XP but its also a large card and only worth it if you play at 1920*1200 with AA and stuff. A single GTX 250 should be enough for 99.9% of the games you can/want to play using a K8 system.

I'm thinking about an upgrade just because I found an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe (new, boxed, tested, all the accessories and stuff are still in sealed packages) combined with a AMD Athlon X2 3800+ CPU only for 60 USD. I'm not actually decided about upgrade first, and started searching for parts.

So, with that in perspective, is A8N-SLI Deluxe also a good board? Does it worth 60 USD with the CPU it is combined with? Especially when compared to K84N-E Deluxe and Athlon 64 3700+ which is already on hand.

I compared the manuals and specs of both A8N-SLI and A8N32-SLI, but could not see any major difference of note, but of course I might be wrong.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 3 of 7, by Skyscraper

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I read a bit too fast and missed that the board was new.

If its new the Asus A8N-SLI is a great motherboard and a bargain for $60 with a CPU. Its not often you see one with bad caps so it should last many years. If its worth it over the stuff you have now is hard for me to judge but Im tempted to say yes. You will get some/most? of the money back if you sell your old stuff.

The differences compared to the A8N32-SLI are 8+8 PCI-E lanes when using SLI compared to 16+16, no solid caps and the A8N-SLI does not like to run the memory with CPC/1T timing at over 240 MHz.

Last edited by Skyscraper on 2015-05-22, 15:05. Edited 2 times in total.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 4 of 7, by silikone

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Related question, is is worth getting an X2 over a frequency equivalent single Athlon 64 even if it's exclusively used for single threaded applications?

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Reply 5 of 7, by candle_86

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honestly if its only for single threaded, get an FX-55/FX-57/Opteron they are cheaper than the dual cores and are great for software up to about 2006.

Reply 6 of 7, by swaaye

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Performance in games of those days may even be better with a single core. Sometimes older games don't work properly with SMP.

Reply 7 of 7, by tayyare

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Ordered A8N-SLI and bundled CPU. I'm not sure yet if I order only one Zotac GTS250 or two, but probably will go for two, just for the fun of it. I never had a SLI setup before, and thinking about having one will be fun. 🤣

If I will have problems with the multicore CPU, I'll find a speedy cheap single core.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000