Dominus wrote:

Otoh at times it seems that Wozniak is a so called media whore offering his opinion all kinds of things. When I read this I often think, who cares...

I can't take anything the Woz says seriously after reading his auto-bio. He may (have) been a technical wiz but he came across as a boring simpleton.

Dominus wrote:

Otoh at times it seems that Wozniak is a so called media whore offering his opinion all kinds of things. When I read this I often think, who cares...

I pretty much knew Woz had jumped the shark when he appeared on The Big Bang Theory. It's all downhill from there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K1uj9VmCzo

I personally think he is a cool guy. Just because he is so nerdy and he accomplished quite a lot in his day.

If i was given one hour to talk to Steve Jobs or Steve Wozniak, i would choose Woz immediately. I would be immensely bored talking to a guy with this "vision" that his hippie religious fanatic followers regards as genius.

At least i'm sure the Woz would be gracious to go through the stuff he designed with great passion, and at least i would learn something. I wouldn't care less about Jobs vision for the future where computers are so easy to use that every spoiled kid spams message boards and youtube video comments with their "computer expertise" opinions.

carlostex wrote:

I wouldn't care less about Jobs vision for the future where computers are so easy to use that every spoiled kid spams message boards and youtube video comments with their "computer expertise" opinions.

Sheesh there's a lot of anti-youth / anti-progress sentiment around here lately. Why shouldn't computers be easy to use? And was there ever a time in history when kids didn't have ill-informed opinions that they insisted were fact? That's what kids do, it's how they learn, and it would be a sad state of affairs if they lost the right to be loud, annoying, and wrong from time-to-time.

badmojo wrote:

carlostex wrote:

I wouldn't care less about Jobs vision for the future where computers are so easy to use that every spoiled kid spams message boards and youtube video comments with their "computer expertise" opinions.

Sheesh there's a lot of anti-youth / anti-progress sentiment around here lately. Why shouldn't computers be easy to use? And was there ever a time in history when kids didn't have ill-informed opinions that they insisted were fact? That's what kids do, it's how they learn, and it would be a sad state of affairs if they lost the right to be loud, annoying, and wrong from time-to-time.

badmojo wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Otoh at times it seems that Wozniak is a so called media whore offering his opinion all kinds of things. When I read this I often think, who cares...

I can't take anything the Woz says seriously after reading his auto-bio. He may (have) been a technical wiz but he came across as a boring simpleton.

You do realise the guy was in a plane crash and sustained head injuries, right?

From Wikipedia

On February 7, 1981, the Beechcraft Bonanza A36TC Wozniak was piloting crashed soon after takeoff from the Sky Park Airport in Scotts Valley, California.[15] The plane stalled while climbing, then bounced down the runway, went through two fences, and crashed into an embankment. Wozniak and his three passengers, then-fiance Candice Clark, her brother and his girlfriend, were injured. Wozniak sustained severe face and head injuries, including losing a tooth, and also suffered for five weeks after the crash from anterograde amnesia, the inability to create new memories. He had no memory of the crash, and did not remember his name in the hospital or the things he did after he was released from the hospital.[16][17] The National Transportation Safety Board investigation report cited premature liftoff and pilot inexperience as probable causes of the crash.[18] Wozniak did not immediately return after recovering from the airplane crash, seeing it as a good reason to leave.[16]

I'd take Woz over Jobs any day. Steve jobs was and always shall be a f**king a**shole.

Steve Wozniak's spent decades trying portray himself as a nice, humble guy who wants to help everybody, who isn't out for money (his fortune tells otherwise, though), or fame, or whatever, yet it doesn't take an ounce of discernment to see his heart is full of pride, arrogance and bitterness, mainly because most people out there don't even know enough computer history to save their lives, and constantly attribute the creation of the Apple computer to Steve Jobs, the marketing guy. That's the reason you'll often catch him glow as he disproportionately expounds the relevance of his achievements, all puffed up when the word "genius" flows out of anybody's mouth while in his presence.

I'm not saying he is without merit, for in fact both the original Apple computer as well as the Apple II were very nicely engineered, but then again, so were a lot of the early micros and the people behind them seldom every show up anywhere these days.

Anonymous Coward wrote:

You do realise the guy was in a plane crash and sustained head injuries, right?

And? Did he sustain personality altering brain damage, oh condescending wikiexpert?

badmojo, Wiki states he has plans to move to Australia. You two might end up being neighbours 😀

RacoonRider wrote:

badmojo, Wiki states he has plans to move to Australia. You two might end up being neighbours 😀

🤣 In that case I'm willing to overlook his dimwitted ramblings if he lets me use his swimming pool 😈

badmojo wrote:

Sheesh there's a lot of anti-youth / anti-progress sentiment around here lately. Why shouldn't computers be easy to use? And was there ever a time in history when kids didn't have ill-informed opinions that they insisted were fact? That's what kids do, it's how they learn, and it would be a sad state of affairs if they lost the right to be loud, annoying, and wrong from time-to-time.

No need to overblow what i said, it was far from being anti-youth or anti-progress. However, Jobs devices are little more than social network tools for kids which are hardly a gateway for knowledge. I agree it's a sign of times, which unfortunately makes kids to be less and less interested in knowing how the technology works as opposed to what technology can do for them.

carlostex wrote:

I would be immensely bored talking to a guy with this "vision" that his hippie religious fanatic followers regards as genius.

Makes sense for a computer nerd.

If you were a businessman, say an MBA or such, Jobs would be the far more interesting conversation piece. How many people have led a business from catastrophic decline to the most valuable company on the planet today?

Steve Jobs didn't do "marketing" as some Internet ignoramuses like to bleat. He was a businessman. He understood that you can't sell a bullet-list of "features" to the end-user market. QVGA 2GB 500MHz 3G WCDMA means absolutely nothing to a non-tech person, but that's how devices were being marketed back then, and that's why many "tech" gadgets in the pre-iPod era found niche markets if any. He didn't care about the GB capacity of iPod, but rather how many songs it could hold. iPhone was conceived, designed, and sold based on what it enabled you to do, not on a bunch of nonsensical numbers and acronyms.

Every company needs a Steve Jobs. Companies like HTC and Samsung WISH they had a Steve Jobs. If you let the techies run the company, you end up with something that might be popular with nerds, but is ultimately not viable.

People looking to score cheap Internet points will point out his abrasive personality and bizarre personal life. They're quite likely right. That doesn't make any of the other stuff less true though.

carlostex wrote:

unfortunately makes kids to be less and less interested in knowing how the technology works as opposed to what technology can do for them

Normal people don't care how power steering works. They care that it makes driving more comfortable.
Normal people don't care how GPS works. They care that it helps them find their destination more easily.

Phones, computers, tablets, etc are no different whatsoever. They're just enabling tools, means to an end.

I know that you personally see them differently. We all do, that's why we're here on this very forum. But we aren't "most people".

carlostex wrote:

No need to overblow what i said, it was far from being anti-youth or anti-progress. However, Jobs devices are little more than social network tools for kids which are hardly a gateway for knowledge. I agree it's a sign of times, which unfortunately makes kids to be less and less interested in knowing how the technology works as opposed to what technology can do for them.

My Mum recently got an iPad, and it's the only computing device she's connected with in any way, despite having them shoved in her face since the 80's. And she doesn't just like it, she's totally obsessed with it - it's her gateway to the internet, email, etc. Jobs may have been a total prick, but he's my dear old Mumsie very happy 😀

A few years ago, when my friend's father passed away, and she and her family were going through his worldly possessions, she offered me the Tandy 1000 SL/2 he had left behind in great condition. Promptly enough, her nephew stole it and proceeded to pawn it off for drug money (in addition to stealing some slightly more serious stuff, such as guns).
Not exactly an Apple I, mind, but not terribly nice either way.

I'd rather talk to a computer nerd than someone who builds a business. Good for the people that build a business but I would rather talk about the technical under lyings any day