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Reply 20 of 29, by smeezekitty

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calvin wrote:

It's no different than if you got a VAC ban with a Steam account that has hundreds of dollars of games. It's harsh punishment to stop cheaters.

I also strongly disagree with the VAC. Not that cheaters should be allowed.
I just feel that a player should be banned from the servers of the game they are caught cheating on.
Steam also has single player games and it doesn't seem fair to ban cheaters from playing single player where they can't hurt anyone with cheats.

Reply 21 of 29, by calvin

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They don't ban for single player cheating - only on multiplayer servers with VAC on.

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Reply 22 of 29, by Rekrul

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Jorpho wrote:

I'm pretty sure the Live account is attached to the console in some fashion. It is not too uncommon to see a console for sale but described as banned from Live.

Remember the good old days when all you had to worry about was whether a console worked or not? I mean before the console makers decided to add a digital leash and choke-chain to everything they make... 😠

calvin wrote:

It's no different than if you got a VAC ban with a Steam account that has hundreds of dollars of games. It's harsh punishment to stop cheaters.

Which is one reason I will never use Steam or any other system that can remotely disable a game.

Reply 23 of 29, by Jorpho

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Rekrul wrote:
Jorpho wrote:

I'm pretty sure the Live account is attached to the console in some fashion. It is not too uncommon to see a console for sale but described as banned from Live.

Remember the good old days when all you had to worry about was whether a console worked or not?

They were also the days when no one played online.

Reply 24 of 29, by Kerr Avon

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ZellSF wrote:

Why would any PC gamer use an Xbox/Xbox 360 for emulation? You probably have a better emulator box if you go through your spare parts.

Yes, but (for example) a modded original (not 360) XBox is a fantastic emulation box for 8 and 16 bit machines (32 bit and later are much more hit and miss on the XBox), and it boots in seconds, *everything* is controlled via the joypad (even resetting the XBox or turning it off), the emulators and menus are very user-friendly, and you get almost no trouble from it at all. It's really good.

I would keep it anyway though, an Xbox is worth it for Panzer Dragoon Orta.
Not sure I can think of any reasons to keep a Xbox 360, but it has plenty of great games so I'm sure you'll find one.

For the original XBox I'd add Breakdown, Unreal Championship 2, Conker: Live and Reloaded (but only for anyone who can't find the N64 original, which is much better) and a few other games, plus if you don't have a PC, then the XBox tends to have the best versions of cross-platform games (sometimes, but it never has the worst).

Reply 25 of 29, by obobskivich

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Agreed with sliderider on checking if they're banned on Live. AFAIK it has no impact on single player (just like VAC), but would affect multi-player gaming and potentially other Live services (I don't remember if you can still access basic XBL services like updates on a banned system). Chipped/modded consoles are also often banned because the chipping usually is done to enable pirated software or other hacks to run, which is ofc all illegal. As far as benign/legal mods, XBMC (Kodi) started out as Xbox Media Center on the original Xbox, and is a neat application if you can live with its limitations (from what I remember of playing with one, it makes the Xbox fairly similar to the PSX (the actual PSX, not PS1)). There's also various linux-on-xbox mods that've been tried over the years. If I remember correctly the original Xbox can also have RGB output added fairly easily.

On Xbox360 modding, Lian-Li actually released an after-market aluminum case for the Xbox360, and iirc watercooling parts were also made (I think Koolance). It can get pretty elaborate. Xbox360 can also support HD-DVD playback with the attachment (they're usually super cheap, and yes they work on Windows too - Windows Update will automatically get drivers for them), and HD-DVDs tend to be dirt cheap even brand new, so that may be a consideration too (there's a lot of movies on HD-DVD, and in some cases its cheaper than DVD even, and Xbox360 is one of the few HD-DVD players that will do 1080p). It will also support, of course, a wide range of games including many new titles, and can be a nice augment to a gaming PC (especially if your gaming PC is a little dated and you don't want to upgrade for just one or two games)). The Xbox360 will also support tons of streaming/multimedia stuff like Netflix, Amazon VOD, etc too (I don't know if this stuff is affected by a Live ban though), which may also be worthwhile.

Overall, I'd probably be more inclined to use an Xbox360 has a "media center" than an Xbox, even with XBMC, because it will handle HD content, can optionally play HD-DVD, will integrate fairly well with Windows Media Center/Windows Media Player for network streaming, and has lots of online streaming options. Let the original Xbox run games and be happy.

On the PS1, I'd probably only keep it around if you specifically want to play PS1 games and don't have a PS2. There's some neat exclusives for PS1, but remember that PS2 can run PS1 games without trouble, and has more flexible output/connectivity options. If you have one of the so-called "audiophile playstations" (SPCH-1001; the one with the RCA output jacks on the back) they can fetch a decent price on ebay (like $30-$40; used to be higher but everyone and their grandmother went out and dug up every last SPCH-1001 and milked it). As far as whether or not they sound like the gods, I'll leave that up to you. (If you have no idea what "audiophile playstation" is, here's the original article that created the "$6000" myth: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/leben2/system.html and more coverage elsewhere: http://musicalmusings.themindofgame.com/2010/ … iophiles-dream/).

Reply 26 of 29, by MrEWhite

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VAC only bans from the game that the cheater was cheating in (excluding Gold Source and Source games, if you cheat in a Gold Source game, you get banned from all Gold Source games, same with Source)

Reply 27 of 29, by smeezekitty

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MrEWhite wrote:

VAC only bans from the game that the cheater was cheating in (excluding Gold Source and Source games, if you cheat in a Gold Source game, you get banned from all Gold Source games, same with Source)

Ok. That sounds a lot less bad.
If they shut the whole user's steam account down, it would be another story.

Reply 28 of 29, by sliderider

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Agreed with sliderider on checking if they're banned on Live. AFAIK it has no impact on single player (just like VAC), but would […]
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Agreed with sliderider on checking if they're banned on Live. AFAIK it has no impact on single player (just like VAC), but would affect multi-player gaming and potentially other Live services (I don't remember if you can still access basic XBL services like updates on a banned system). Chipped/modded consoles are also often banned because the chipping usually is done to enable pirated software or other hacks to run, which is ofc all illegal. As far as benign/legal mods, XBMC (Kodi) started out as Xbox Media Center on the original Xbox, and is a neat application if you can live with its limitations (from what I remember of playing with one, it makes the Xbox fairly similar to the PSX (the actual PSX, not PS1)). There's also various linux-on-xbox mods that've been tried over the years. If I remember correctly the original Xbox can also have RGB output added fairly easily.

On Xbox360 modding, Lian-Li actually released an after-market aluminum case for the Xbox360, and iirc watercooling parts were also made (I think Koolance). It can get pretty elaborate. Xbox360 can also support HD-DVD playback with the attachment (they're usually super cheap, and yes they work on Windows too - Windows Update will automatically get drivers for them), and HD-DVDs tend to be dirt cheap even brand new, so that may be a consideration too (there's a lot of movies on HD-DVD, and in some cases its cheaper than DVD even, and Xbox360 is one of the few HD-DVD players that will do 1080p). It will also support, of course, a wide range of games including many new titles, and can be a nice augment to a gaming PC (especially if your gaming PC is a little dated and you don't want to upgrade for just one or two games)). The Xbox360 will also support tons of streaming/multimedia stuff like Netflix, Amazon VOD, etc too (I don't know if this stuff is affected by a Live ban though), which may also be worthwhile.

Overall, I'd probably be more inclined to use an Xbox360 has a "media center" than an Xbox, even with XBMC, because it will handle HD content, can optionally play HD-DVD, will integrate fairly well with Windows Media Center/Windows Media Player for network streaming, and has lots of online streaming options. Let the original Xbox run games and be happy.

On the PS1, I'd probably only keep it around if you specifically want to play PS1 games and don't have a PS2. There's some neat exclusives for PS1, but remember that PS2 can run PS1 games without trouble, and has more flexible output/connectivity options. If you have one of the so-called "audiophile playstations" (SPCH-1001; the one with the RCA output jacks on the back) they can fetch a decent price on ebay (like $30-$40; used to be higher but everyone and their grandmother went out and dug up every last SPCH-1001 and milked it). As far as whether or not they sound like the gods, I'll leave that up to you. (If you have no idea what "audiophile playstation" is, here's the original article that created the "$6000" myth: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/leben2/system.html and more coverage elsewhere: http://musicalmusings.themindofgame.com/2010/ … iophiles-dream/).

I bought the HD DVD player when they first came out and got a $50 rebate check when the HD DVD format was discontinued. Toshiba did that to compensate all buyers of HD DVD equipment for the early obsolescence of their machines, which was really cool of them (it pays to mail in those warranty registration cards ). And also don't forget that even if you don't use your HD DVD device for playing HD DVD's, they do really good upscaling of regular DVD's. I only bought it because I wore out the laser in my PS2 using it as a movie player and I didn't want to kill my 360 the same way.

Reply 29 of 29, by ahendricks18

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The other day I got a free NES from a friend. It had the blinking red light problem (related to the 72 pin connector) so I ordered a new connector. In the meantime, since it came with a ass load of games I was itching to play them. I'm still waiting on the part too. So I heard on the web you can boil the old connector and it cleans the crap out of it. I did just that and it works a lot better now. I will still replace the connector because the old one is still finicky and takes some effort to get the games playing and yes, I have cleaned the games with cotton swabs. I will have to post some pics later as I'm currently mobile. Another unrelated question; I got an old Sansui CRT TV. Great condition, made 2008, clean, but it is stuck in 16:9. It says that when you press info on the (universal) remote but it has black bars on top and bottom. I'm heading towards wally world today so I figured I'd get a better universal remote because the one I have, well, sucks and does not have the buttons to change screen mode.

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