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First post, by silikone

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Is there any single reason to look for old non-upgrade versions of Windows if the series of upgrade discs are already owned? I'm wondering if they have hidden features or benefits that you don't get with the upgrade installation procedure.

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Reply 1 of 6, by JayCeeBee64

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None really. The only advantage is that the full (non-upgrade) version can be installed by itself on any PC, while the upgrade needs a qualifying previous Windows OS before it will install. Even then, there are ways to do a "clean" install with an upgrade version (this is what I did with my current PC and Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Upgrade DVD). And of course, the upgrade version is always cheaper than the full version 😊

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Reply 2 of 6, by silikone

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JayCeeBee64 wrote:

The only advantage is that the full (non-upgrade) version can be installed by itself on any PC, while the upgrade needs a qualifying previous Windows OS before it will install.

I don't know about modern Windows, but all I needed was to insert the old disc for one minute when I was asked to, a minor inconvenience. Did this change with Vista or 7?

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Reply 3 of 6, by JayCeeBee64

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silikone wrote:
JayCeeBee64 wrote:

The only advantage is that the full (non-upgrade) version can be installed by itself on any PC, while the upgrade needs a qualifying previous Windows OS before it will install.

I don't know about modern Windows, but all I needed was to insert the old disc for one minute when I was asked to, a minor inconvenience. Did this change with Vista or 7?

Yup, that's how it was done with older Windows versions up to XP. That changed with Vista - now you must have the previous OS installed before doing an upgrade or custom (clean) install.

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Reply 4 of 6, by obobskivich

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For older versions of Windows (e.g. XP) you just need the older CD; in 7 it wants to see a previous version of Windows installed, HOWEVER it will still install straight-up from an upgrade disc (the Microsoft MVP is wrong/lying) - it doesn't complain or anything (and there is no "hack" or "trick" to this - you just install from the DVD like usual). The catch is that it will not automatically activate during install (I rarely ever do this with Vista/7 anyways, because I've had problems with it working properly over the years even on full retail or OEM copies that are supposed to be capable of it, so just "skip" activation there), and has to be activated once you get onto the Windows desktop. For non-Upgrade copies it should just activate right there (may have to call the hotline depending on WGA), for Upgrade copies there is a registry key that has to be flipped to make it prompt for activation properly, and then (assuming you have a genuine/legal key) you proceed as usual.

As far as versioning on Windows, OEM copies are generally cheapest, but "transfers" are a grey area. Upgrade and Retail copies are "open for transfer" but Upgrade copies will need an extra few minutes of work to activate properly (and I've had to do this even when running an upgrade, not just as a clean install - I don't know if WGA just doesn't properly work with Upgrade or what).

Reply 5 of 6, by Logistics

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Back when '95 came out we just had to sys the C: drive so we could get a command prompt, run a generic CD-ROM TSR, run the setup on the Windows 95 Upgrade disc, and when it looked for a previous version of windows, it would ask for the install location, and all we had to do was insert Disk 1 of the Windows 3.11 install disks and it would continue with a full install.

Reply 6 of 6, by obobskivich

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Logistics wrote:

Back when '95 came out we just had to sys the C: drive so we could get a command prompt, run a generic CD-ROM TSR, run the setup on the Windows 95 Upgrade disc, and when it looked for a previous version of windows, it would ask for the install location, and all we had to do was insert Disk 1 of the Windows 3.11 install disks and it would continue with a full install.

With the new system its actually much easier than that - just put the Upgrade CD in, it will do the full install, and then you flip the registry key to generate the WGA prompt and activate. 😀