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First post, by 386SX

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Hi,

I would like to ask you which cards in every four bus ISA/VLB/PCI or AGP (pci-e no thanx...) has the best layout design and/or been built with the best components/quality. I've always seen many cards maybe also fast but with poor design, cheap components or just absurd design (ex. like those L shaped pcb... brrrrr 🙁 ).
Speed is not the main factor.

For me:

ISA: I've not seen many ones, but ATi certainly were already been built quiet well with nice designed layout and smd components. I like my (doh!) ATi 28800-5 XL but I also liek the various Mach I've seen online.
VLB: I've yet to decide
PCI: Here it's hard but I'd say that I always felt with the Diamond Riva128 but lately I've to say that the Millennium PCI was built really well and quiet big..
AGP: Once I would have said the the blue Geforce2 GTS and the green Geforce2 Ultra.. but I always liked the Radeon 9700 (with the original heatsink).

Reply 1 of 7, by Skyscraper

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Not the Radeon 9xxx, they look well built and they are but they still often fail.

I would look at Fire GL or Quado cards when it comes to AGP, they are mostly the same as the gaming cards but with more conservative clock speeds.
ELSA Gloria III Quadro2 Pro (Geforce 2) gets my vote! I think it will last for a long long time. Its basicly the same as the green Geforce 2 Ultra except for lower clocks and DVI support.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/opengl-wo … ower,334-3.html

Last edited by Skyscraper on 2015-09-24, 10:52. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 2 of 7, by PhilsComputerLab

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Crazy to read that the card sold for $1000.

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Reply 3 of 7, by 386SX

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Skyscraper wrote:
Not the Radeon 9xxx, they look well build and they are but they still often fail. […]
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Not the Radeon 9xxx, they look well build and they are but they still often fail.

I would look at Fire GL or Quado cards when it comes to AGP, they are mostly the same as the gaming cards but with more conservative clock speeds.
ELSA Gloria III Quadro2 Pro (Geforce 2) gets my vote! I think it will last for a long long time. Its basicly the same as the green Geforce 2 Ultra except for lower clocks and DVI support.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/opengl-wo … ower,334-3.html

I think that the R300 was indeed quiet complex for its generation.
I would also add the Matrox Parhelia as nicely built and with good layout.

Reply 4 of 7, by Scali

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Yes, I would say that Matrox cards are all built extremely well.
ATi are very good as well. Even the early ones (CGA/Hercules) have quite a high level of integration. Much smaller and simpler than the IBM ones.
Cards built by Diamond are also often very nice. VLB cards may be somewhat weird, since the cards are often much larger than what the components require.
Eg I have this SpeedStar Pro (I think this is a Cirrus Logic reference design):
755_diamond_speedstar_pro_rev.b1_top_hq.jpg

They could just as easily have fit all the components on an ISA card, but well, they need that long VLB connector. It's interesting how they chose to start to layout the components from the back of the card. This means the chip is close to the high-frequency signals of the VLB bus, and the analog output components are as far removed from the chip/bus as possible.

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Reply 5 of 7, by 386SX

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Nice card! I got a GD5429 but low profile (I don't like these so much...). Certainly on the ISA the ATi Mach64 2Mb are really great on the layout.

Reply 6 of 7, by elianda

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from my impression cards from ELSA, Number Nine, DSystems and miro are built quite well.

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Reply 7 of 7, by Anonymous Coward

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I'd like to throw STB and Hercules in there too (at least their older stuff is good). Orchid also seems solid.

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