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First post, by Tetrium

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Before I continue, I want to be very clear to anyone reading this that any kind of trading is prohibited on Vogons and that I haven't the slightest intent to bend the rules in any way. Afaic these rules have proven to be very effective and I fully support them staying that way.

Now that I have said this, for the last couple of years I've noticed that even though I still like to talk about old hardware and everything around it, that my passion for actually using the stuff I have has been consistently low. And that is making me doubt about how to proceed next.

I was lucky that I entered the retrocomputing hobby at an early age, so to speak. I was right there when complete 486 systems were dumped onto the streets and literally nobody cared about them. This was over 10 years ago though. How times have changed...

The motivation to actually start this thread is because these days I (we) see people wanting to start this hobby constantly, they keep dripping in all the time including here on Vogons. But these people are having a real hard time finding stuff for outrageous prices and lots of this stuff is simply broken. In short, this hobby is not as cheap as it used to be (I think we all can agree on that).

I've been considering this for the last few years now, but what put me off from actually offering parts for donation is greed. The greed of commercial sellers biting into what they see as an opportunity to load up on parts because of money, thereby leaving the hobbyists with nothing except more advertisements on sites like Ebay. This would be extremely likely to happen if I were to give stuff away.

The other option would be to simply start selling stuff. But frankly, I just can't be bothered with walking to the post office with bags full of packages every week, testing all parts to check if they are still correct, acquiring enough packaging materials and then having to deal with people claiming their package has never arrived. And to top this off, the vast majority of the stuff I can spare is barely worth the effort to commercially sell.
But the most important reason is that this will take so much time and energy! I'd have to make it a way of life and I'm just not wanting to go down that route.

And last but not least, it just doesn't feel right to sell stuff to potential other Vogons members that I got from another Vogons member for the price of only shipping.

The problem is that if I decide to do nothing (which is what I have been doing the last few years), then stuff which may still be sought after but is useless to me, will just keep rotting away in my attic and none of it will ever be used.

Couple examples:
I have so many AT towers, I'd never be able to use all of them, but most I'd never want to part with because I think they look awesome. But there are others who find it impossible to acquire AT cases for a reasonably price and reasonable shipping costs and here I am sitting on a ton of these (or actually 25 of them, one is missing it's panel but I understood some people here can recreate new ones which is something I will never do) and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't mind donating a couple of the cases I don't even like to someone who'd be delighted to have them.
Years ago I was gifted a working 486 motherboard by another Vogons member for which I only paid shipping I think, the only problem was that it needed a new DIN connector for a keyboard soldered onto the board, but I don't even have any soldering skills 🤣. So I wouldn't mind parting with it, which brings me back to square one.
And now that I mention soldering, everyone knows these caps will go bust, even if they haven't done so already. I can't even repair them, nor would I want to because I have so much stuff laying around that if I needed a Tualatin board for my newest 1400S build, I have 10 other boards just waiting for me to try them out. So why would I even bother acquiring caps for money I don't even have, I'll simply try one of my other 10 Tualatin boards till I find one that will work.

Now of course I'm not a fool so my Cyrix 133 and ES's are staying! 😁
But some of the stuff that only requires small fixes, I can part with.

So now what do I do? 🤣!

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Reply 1 of 13, by DosFreak

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Forget the guilt trip. If you are spending your own free time and providing your expertise 😉 then that is worth something so factor that in. Doesn't matter if you got the part for free or not.

As far as spending alot of time on it then don't. Make it a once a week, once a month, once every three months kinda of thing.

My parts just gather dust in the closet. If they annoy me too much then I usually end up giving them away for free, as gifts, or for a drasically reduced fee (hard drives mostly there).

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Reply 2 of 13, by F2bnp

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Agreed! Don't overthink this, but at least make sure to keep the stuff that makes you the most happy. I still keep my Dreamcast around, although I never really play it these days. And yet, last weekend I had a blast playing some Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 and Virtua Fighter 3. I don't think I had touched the console for at least a year and it still managed to give me a few hours of fun.
If this sounds familiar with hardware stuff, I say you should keep it 😀.

Reply 3 of 13, by Tetrium

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Thanks. Perhaps I overexpressed myself a bit with the guilt thingy 🤣
And perhaps it would be a good idea to register with amibay at one time?
I have no problem with keeping all of it though, but it's starting to get in the way a bit 😜

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Reply 4 of 13, by Ariakos

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I've collected few things myself. Not a huge hardware pile but enough that I'm going to hoard it like Smaug. And I'm one of those who are always one AT-case short... (I'm not begging, by the way. If Tetrium ever puts up an Amibay ad I'll check it out, though). I agree that today it's much harder to come by cheap hardware stuff from 80-90's era. It's perplexing. Here in Finland people don't see much value in old laptops (from 8088's to Pentium III) which float around the internet auction and flea market sites every now and then. But 286-486 desktops are more rare. Either they don't exist anymore or people think there's no value to even try. Funny, I remember portability being very costly thing in the 90's. Now it seems to be the other way around. Retro laptops are everywhere while desktops are nowhere to be found.

Retro collecting kind of reminds F2P mobile games: either you must have lots of time, patience and insane luck to have your fun for free or otherwise you must pay for your entertainment if you want to have it quicker and more efficiently. 🤣

Reply 5 of 13, by PhilsComputerLab

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Interesting post, tough decision. I don't have an answer to be honest.

I feel your pain with selling. Testing it, taking images, writing the article, issues with buyers, taking it to the post office. It's quite a lot of work.

You could do a bulk sale, but then you will sell it to someone who will sell it on for a profit.

I sometimes get offered parts, but I unusually say no as space is limited and there is only so much I need. The few specific items I would love to have, are highly sought after by everyone, so that isn't going to happen 🤣

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Reply 6 of 13, by saturn

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I came to a likewise conclusion always back. I had so much stuff that I never used and most likely would never use.
I had a few 478 system, 2 775 systems. a few 370 and slot 1 systems and way too many parts. I sold/gave away all but one 775 systems my dual 370 system and a few hard to find parts.

Heck I have a brand new AMD APU setup I put together that never been used... and I still never used the 775 system 😒
I still hate selling my abit x48 motherboard. 😢 Other then that I love the room and $$$ more.
I say just sell/give away what you don’t want or use and be prepared for any regrets.

Oh and by the way I'm building a 486 system. Hint, hint, wink wink 😉

Reply 7 of 13, by PeterLI

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Nothing wrong with selling @ market prices. It is simply supply and demand. Plus convenience for most buyers.

I usually sell almost everything: I do not want to have too much $ tied up in hardware that can break or lose it's value. Real life get's in the way: had a $900 car repair bill last week for example.

Bulk sale or recycling is always an option.

Reply 8 of 13, by saturn

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PeterLI wrote:

Nothing wrong with selling @ market prices. It is simply supply and demand. Plus convenience for most buyers.

I usually sell almost everything: I do not want to have too much $ tied up in hardware that can break or lose it's value. Real life get's in the way: had a $900 car repair bill last week for example.

Bulk sale or recycling is always an option.

Recycling should only be an option if a part is broken beyond repair. To many times I see someone toss something out that I could fix. Oh a tinny rice size SMD resistor or capacitor is missing/bad. well boohoo I guess that part is dead and not fixable... 😒

Reply 9 of 13, by carlostex

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Try Amibay.

I'm mostly interested into finding old stuff (XT,286,386,486,Socket 7) and ISA cards. This is the stuff that is hard to get. Because ISA is the really old interface for the IBM PC stuff eBay sellers usually price them with insane prices even for the most basic of the generic ISA controllers for instance.

I have myself got to get a pretty decent collection of vintage stuff which is most impressive at the sound card variety. I'm still looking for pretty rare and obscure stuff like IMFC or AdLib Gold. But i'm really happy with what i have, and i'm specially grateful for the incredible generosity of a good friend.

Either try to sell it in bulk or you can donate whatever parts you feel you think that deserve to get a new good home, but most importantly do things at your own pace. Maybe if you begin getting rid of the stuff slowly makes the whole process easier. Recycling? Please don't, i'm sure all of your stuff can find a good home.

Do whatever brings you piece of mind. 😀

Reply 11 of 13, by brostenen

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Tetrium wrote:

Seems amibay is the way to go then, cheers all! 😁

Yeah... Amibay.
You could sell it in one big lot and sell it "as is" on Amibay, and make it a pick'up in order to avoid the trip to the post office.
(The only hassle is to take those pictures)

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Reply 12 of 13, by Tetrium

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brostenen wrote:
Yeah... Amibay. You could sell it in one big lot and sell it "as is" on Amibay, and make it a pick'up in order to avoid the trip […]
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Tetrium wrote:

Seems amibay is the way to go then, cheers all! 😁

Yeah... Amibay.
You could sell it in one big lot and sell it "as is" on Amibay, and make it a pick'up in order to avoid the trip to the post office.
(The only hassle is to take those pictures)

This is one of the things I was considering actually.
The pics might be a little bit of a problem since my camera died a couple years ago, so I'll have to use my mobile for that.
But I do know how what kind of pics will be desirable and what to look out for when visually checking an item for it's condition (broken traces, bulging caps, missing jumpers, I have a good eye for detail when it comes to these things 😁 ).

I don't think I will be selling in big lots, since that way you'll end up with lots where the buyer won't actually be wanting all of it. Well, perhaps except maybe for the AT cases which are easy to mount in a motherboard and some other excess hardware.

What would also be idea for me is to simply browse through my stuff and see if there are multiple items that someone is actually needing, so I might probably be browsing a lot through the WTB threads and see if I can sell a lot with stuff the buyer is actually looking for.

Is paypal btw a requirement for amibay? As having a sum of money on paypal will be of no use to me since I have very little left to buy (I got almost everything I wanted).

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Reply 13 of 13, by PeterLI

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You can link a bank account to PayPal and then transfer the balance to the bank account.