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My tualatin setup, and some questions relating to drivers.

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First post, by SRQ

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(I was gonna ask these in the other thread, but it's on it's own rail now so I assembled them here)
Firstly, specs for easy reference and GLOATING.
Asus TUV4X
Pentium III 1400 (Not a celeron, a proper III-S 😀)
Geforce 4 Ti 4200 64mb (Asus model, seems to be slightly OCed)
2x Voodoo 2 12mb (Not the same model, one is currently in another computer but there if I want it.)
Audigy 2 (I actually did get DOS mode drivers working- I just have to set FSB to 66)
Gig of ram, dual hard disks, dual optical disks.

My questions are as follows:
What would be a better match, the last Asus drivers for the chipset, or the last Via drivers for the chipset?
I asked in another thread, but I'll ask here too- best drivers for the Ti 4200 and 98SE and/or 2000.
What's the best way to manually set refresh rates for a monitor without an EDID?
Good quiet cooler for the Tualatin itself? Considering an aftermarket cooler for the Ti 4200 as well. I'm willing to spend a few bucks for quieter operation.

Not sure what else. Oh uh- what the hell is "CPU Back-Back transaction"(sp?) It's a really obscure BIOS setting, and with it on I can't boot with the Tualatin at 133mhz FSB. Really weird, and I thought it was broken until I found that option.

Reply 1 of 8, by Tetrium

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I can only comment on the cooling. The good part is that as Tualatins run much cooler then Athlon XP's, which share the same socket dimensions, you could use a nice Athlon XP HSF and have it run very quietly.

Now the bad part: Tualatins, due to their IHS, often need some 'tweaking' to the retention clip which fastens the heatsink to the motherboard because as Tualatins are taller, the clip will often put too much stress on the retention tabs on the socket and many people here have had these tabs brake off while mounting the HSF or while moving the system, which isn't really what one would want to happen for obvious reasons.

I know I tried the Arctic Copper Silent 3 as it's basically my #1 choice when it comes to s370 and sA, but this particular HSF (due to the way the clip is made) will put uneven pressure on the IHS so one side is under more pressure then the other side and apart from all the TIM having the habit to being squeezed out a bit from one side, this will put pressure on one side, increasing the chance of tab breaking.

In the end I decided to use a mounting clip from a stock Athlon XP HSF and a large s370 Intel stock heatsink from an Intel stock HSF and combined those. Even the fan was rigged onto the Intel heatsink from a 7cm fan I cannibalized from an AMD stock s754 HSF as the Intel ones are too loud and make a too annoying sound for my taste.
You can also find a clip and bend is so you needn't apply so much pressure, but the IHS the Tualatins and Coppermine-T's use, will ask for at least some adaptation....or you could perhaps find some HSF that is already made for Tualatin but I dunno if these can still be found these days and for a reasonable price.

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Reply 2 of 8, by kanecvr

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From personal experience and benchmarks:

- Best Apollo 133A drivers for win98 and XP are 4.37. Just be sure they install correctly under 98.
- Best win98 driver for the GF4 Ti (game compatibility-wise) is 41.08 and performance-wise 44.03*. For winXP I use 45.23

To cool tualatins (and PIII CPUs in general) I use cheap "titan" brand aluminum socket A coolers with 800rpm silent 80mm fans. Temps don't go over 38-40C even at 1.67v and they are quieter then the PSU.

*44.03 might have issues with some VIA boards forcing the video card to work at 2x. If it does switch to 41.08.

Reply 3 of 8, by PCBONEZ

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kanecvr wrote:

- Best Apollo 133A drivers for win98 and XP are 4.37. Just be sure they install correctly under 98.

Yes

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Reply 4 of 8, by PCBONEZ

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With a respectably sized heatsink (say over 20mm high - not a "pancake" cooler in other words) you only need a 9 to 10 CFM fan for these.
Quiet is pretty easy.

Most socket A coolers fit and have a lot more heatsink and fan than the minimum needed - and they can be cheap.
Great way to go.
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Reply 5 of 8, by SRQ

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kanecvr wrote:
From personal experience and benchmarks: […]
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From personal experience and benchmarks:

- Best Apollo 133A drivers for win98 and XP are 4.37. Just be sure they install correctly under 98.
- Best win98 driver for the GF4 Ti (game compatibility-wise) is 41.08 and performance-wise 44.03*. For winXP I use 45.23

To cool tualatins (and PIII CPUs in general) I use cheap "titan" brand aluminum socket A coolers with 800rpm silent 80mm fans. Temps don't go over 38-40C even at 1.67v and they are quieter then the PSU.

*44.03 might have issues with some VIA boards forcing the video card to work at 2x. If it does switch to 41.08.

This probably explains why the GF4 has always reported itself as running at 2x. I'll try 41.08 and see if that changes anything.
I had no idea Socket A will fit this, read and understood all the above- thanke.

Reply 6 of 8, by SRQ

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kanecvr wrote:
From personal experience and benchmarks: […]
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From personal experience and benchmarks:

- Best Apollo 133A drivers for win98 and XP are 4.37. Just be sure they install correctly under 98.
- Best win98 driver for the GF4 Ti (game compatibility-wise) is 41.08 and performance-wise 44.03*. For winXP I use 45.23

To cool tualatins (and PIII CPUs in general) I use cheap "titan" brand aluminum socket A coolers with 800rpm silent 80mm fans. Temps don't go over 38-40C even at 1.67v and they are quieter then the PSU.

*44.03 might have issues with some VIA boards forcing the video card to work at 2x. If it does switch to 41.08.

I can only find 41.09, is that what you meant?

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kanecvr wrote:

- Best Apollo 133A drivers for win98 and XP are 4.37. Just be sure they install correctly under 98.
- Best win98 driver for the GF4 Ti (game compatibility-wise) is 41.08 and performance-wise 44.03*. For winXP I use 45.23

Are those suggestion also ok with 133T and Ti 4600?

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
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Reply 8 of 8, by kanecvr

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tayyare wrote:
kanecvr wrote:

- Best Apollo 133A drivers for win98 and XP are 4.37. Just be sure they install correctly under 98.
- Best win98 driver for the GF4 Ti (game compatibility-wise) is 41.08 and performance-wise 44.03*. For winXP I use 45.23

Are those suggestion also ok with 133T and Ti 4600?

VT82C649T I assume -> yes, they work great on this too.

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I can only find 41.09, is that what you meant?

Yeah, sorry I miss-typed...

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