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First post, by feipoa

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Would anyone be willing to make an image of their 386 motherboard's BIOS with VLSI VL82C330/331/332 chipsets? Thanks.

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Reply 1 of 34, by HardwareExtreme

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I MAY have a motherboard with one of those chipsets, but how would you even make an image of the BIOS? I only have 3 386 mobos, but many 486 boards

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Reply 2 of 34, by feipoa

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Would uniflash work?

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Reply 4 of 34, by turtlesedge

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feipoa wrote:

Would anyone be willing to make an image of their 386 motherboard's BIOS with VLSI VL82C330/331/332 chipsets? Thanks.

I have a motherboard with these chipsets, sadly it only has the BIOS even. I would be willing to try and extract the BIOS even for you if it helps, I have never done it before though.

I am also interested in finding the BIOS odd.

Reply 5 of 34, by feipoa

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turtlesedge - Does the motherboard you have contain two BIOS sockets, with one missing? Or does it contain a single BIOS socket?

I think there is software which can create even/odd BIOSes from a board with only a single BIOS chip.

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Reply 6 of 34, by turtlesedge

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feipoa wrote:

turtlesedge - Does the motherboard you have contain two BIOS sockets, with one missing? Or does it contain a single BIOS socket?

I think there is software which can create even/odd BIOSes from a board with only a single BIOS chip.

Yes it contains two BIOS sockets and there is one BIOS missing. I haven't tested it properly yet but assumed there was a missing BIOS. I have to try and fix a couple of the traces and replace the DIN socket first since a nicad battery leaked, the damage seems to be only around the keyboard socket.

It would be great if I could make another BIOS.

Reply 7 of 34, by feipoa

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Strange that one BIOS chip is missing.

If you need my BIOS images, let me know.

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Reply 8 of 34, by turtlesedge

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Thanks that would be great, what kind of equipment will I need to create a BIOS?

Reply 9 of 34, by feipoa

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A universal programmer would be helpful. I use a Wellon VP-390. You also need the appropriate sized EEPROM chips. Attached are the even and odd BIOSes from my AMI Mark V Baby Screamer.

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Reply 10 of 34, by jesolo

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turtlesedge wrote:

Thanks that would be great, what kind of equipment will I need to create a BIOS?

I recently asked for some advice on the same topic and received some good feedback.
Refer: EPROM burner and "blank" BIOS chips

Reply 11 of 34, by turtlesedge

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Thanks feipoa and jesolo, I ordered a TL866CS and some EEPROM ICs.

Will let you know how it goes in about a month when they arrive...

Reply 12 of 34, by feipoa

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Ok, I look forward to your results.

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Reply 13 of 34, by stamasd

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feipoa wrote:

Strange that one BIOS chip is missing.

Not that strange, I've seen it on other motherboards. It's not really "missing", but it has an extra socket for installing BIOS extensions. I have for instance a XT clone motherboard with no less than 8 BIOS sockets, all mapped throughout the F000-FFFF region. Five of them are populated ( one is the BIOS itself, the other 4 are the IBM Basic) and three are open. I have actually used one of the open sockets to install some custom BIOS extensions that I burned in an EPROM. 😀

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Reply 14 of 34, by feipoa

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stamasd wrote:
feipoa wrote:

Strange that one BIOS chip is missing.

Not that strange, I've seen it on other motherboards. It's not really "missing", but it has an extra socket for installing BIOS extensions. I have for instance a XT clone motherboard with no less than 8 BIOS sockets, all mapped throughout the F000-FFFF region. Five of them are populated ( one is the BIOS itself, the other 4 are the IBM Basic) and three are open. I have actually used one of the open sockets to install some custom BIOS extensions that I burned in an EPROM. 😀

It is strange because his existing BIOS chip says "even", which means there is also a missing "odd" BIOS chip. Both of these BIOSes are needed. It seems odd to me that the previous owner would remove one of them and not put it back.

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Reply 15 of 34, by h-a-l-9000

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> which means there is also a missing "odd" BIOS chip

There are boards with a single chip which has also printed 'even' on it. Wether this is the case here can be tested with a multimeter in continuity checker mode: When i.e. the pins 15 of both sockets show zero ohms it's an 8-bit interface and works with a single chip.

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Reply 16 of 34, by turtlesedge

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I actually tried to boot the motherboard and it was working but would fail after post or when I would would try to save settings to the CMOS. It would come up with a "parity error" in large text.

I am guessing the previous owner just pulled the other ROM out for some reason.

Reply 17 of 34, by h-a-l-9000

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It means there was no other ROM. You wouldn't get any sign of life if two ROMS were required. Parity error is a hint to defective RAM.

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Reply 18 of 34, by feipoa

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h-a-l-9000 wrote:

> which means there is also a missing "odd" BIOS chip

There are boards with a single chip which has also printed 'even' on it. Wether this is the case here can be tested with a multimeter in continuity checker mode: When i.e. the pins 15 of both sockets show zero ohms it's an 8-bit interface and works with a single chip.

Interesting. I was not aware of that. turtlesedge, could you measure this with a multi-meter?

If his board was meant to work with a single chip, what would be the purpose of the other socket.

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Reply 19 of 34, by h-a-l-9000

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Since we already know that it POSTs with only one ROM it's an 8-bit interface.

1+1=10