When I run gl quake on the 7000. I get a consistant 18 fps on demo 1. Whether the setting is 320x200x16 or 1024x768x32 it stays at 18fps. So I guess that's the limit of what it can do.
ony my ex Pentium mmx 233 MHz, I could make only 15fps with the agp ati radeon 7200 (the drivers are too new that they by itself eat half of the performance from the cpu D: ) (that playing quake 2)
When I changed to a voodoo 3, oh man, it jumped from 15fps to glorious 40fps 😁
18fps is slower than software rendering on my system using 320x200, but if changing the resolution resulted in nothing, the problem is processor / cache related.
On the bios, there isn't some cache option disabled?
Also, I think it's a good idea to run a software to benchmark only The cpu, like the speedsys software
nah I'm kinda lucky the bios has any options at all
You could open the PC up and see if the cache chips are actually absent, but at this point I'm pretty sure they are. Anyway, if you need more performance you're gonna need one of those PowerLeap K6-3 upgrade kits, and they are not that common, so swapping for a similar motherboard might be simpler. Or just leave it as is and enjoy this PC for what it is.
Just read this whole darn thing..... 😳
WTF just happened here?
Not pointing fingers... But darn it. 😳
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Too much memory. No cache and wrong GFX card.
Get another motherboard that fit in the case.
(If you want to play those games) As of now, it is a
nice MS-Dos-6.22 machine for games before 1995.
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wrote:Just read this whole darn thing..... 😳
WTF just happened here?Not pointing fingers... But darn it. 😳
You know, I'm still trying to figure that out myself... Wouldn't be surprised if a mod came on here and cleared some stuff up. (apologies if I pissed anybody off, BTW. I tried to take back what I said earlier, but the damage was already done...)
But yeah, at this point, I think it's safe to say that all that system is good for is a decent DOS games machine, having no cache at all. If you really want a good experience with those games, I'd say get a faster system/motherboard, like a K6-2 or Pentium II-based system. That way, you can take better advantage of your Radeon 7000.
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R-cards are not really good for dos games eighter, compared to CL or S3.
I have a feeling (not even looking at the dos comp. chart) that even SIS PCI cards would be a better choice than a R-Card, for that matter.
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wrote:wrote:Just read this whole darn thing..... 😳
WTF just happened here?Not pointing fingers... But darn it. 😳
You know, I'm still trying to figure that out myself... Wouldn't be surprised if a mod came on here and cleared some stuff up. (apologies if I pissed anybody off, BTW. I tried to take back what I said earlier, but the damage was already done...)
What damage?
And don't worry to much about it. It wasn't very pretty, but it sometimes happens, has happened for years but only once in a while.
And anyway, the storm has gone, everyone has spoken out their opinions so lets just continue 😀
I understand. Glad everything seems to be back to normal in this thread 😀
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wrote:You could open the PC up and see if the cache chips are actually absent, but at this point I'm pretty sure they are. Anyway, if you need more performance you're gonna need one of those PowerLeap K6-3 upgrade kits, and they are not that common, so swapping for a similar motherboard might be simpler. Or just leave it as is and enjoy this PC for what it is.
From what I've read the power leap adapter only works on boards with higher bus speeds and isn't actually universal. I think the bus had to be higher than 66 or something along those lines
wrote:Too much memory. No cache and wrong GFX card. Get another motherboard that fit in the case. (If you want to play those games) As […]
Too much memory. No cache and wrong GFX card.
Get another motherboard that fit in the case.
(If you want to play those games) As of now, it is a
nice MS-Dos-6.22 machine for games before 1995.
I've already tried lower amounts of memory which seen to really not effect it much. I tried just a single 64 and 32mb stick.
As far as different boards it would need to be another packard bell board. Not sure if they made any other lpx pentium 1 boards that were much better than this one.
Lpx is sort of a form factor but isn't really bound by any rules so other boards from compaq have the riser in different spots.
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wrote:When I run gl quake on the 7000. I get a consistant 18 fps on demo 1. Whether the setting is 320x200x16 or 1024x768x32 it stays at 18fps. So I guess that's the limit of what it can do.
OK, not exactly fast, but at least it uses hardware 3D acceleration.
A PMMX 233 could get much higher scores with L2 cache and an appropriate 3D card, Radeon 7000 probably has high CPU overhead but not hardware T&L (like all other Radeon or Geforce cards) which might help.
If you really intend to play Quake on that machine you could either have a look for a tweak guide for glQuake, or you could try to make your Voodoo2 work, that card should is probably better suited for the CPU than any other.
Yes, The radeon 7200 has hardware T&L but not the 7000.
Also, could you test the software speedsys and take a Picture or write the results from it?
Download link here SpeedSys http://motherboards.mbarron.net/download/dostools/sst470.zip
wrote:Yes, The radeon 7200 has hardware T&L but not the 7000.
Also, could you test the software speedsys and take a Picture or write the results from it?
Download link here SpeedSys http://motherboards.mbarron.net/download/dostools/sst470.zip
the link isnt working for me . i tried going straight to the site and saving the target but still a no go
wrote:wrote:Yes, The radeon 7200 has hardware T&L but not the 7000.
Also, could you test the software speedsys and take a Picture or write the results from it?
Download link here SpeedSys http://motherboards.mbarron.net/download/dostools/sst470.zipthe link isnt working for me . i tried going straight to the site and saving the target but still a no go
Looks like that site doesn't allow hotlinking. Go here and find "sst470.zip 84k SpeedSys tests system performance & generates report" in the page. Click the download link 😀
wrote:OK, not exactly fast, but at least it uses hardware 3D acceleration. A PMMX 233 could get much higher scores with L2 cache and a […]
wrote:When I run gl quake on the 7000. I get a consistant 18 fps on demo 1. Whether the setting is 320x200x16 or 1024x768x32 it stays at 18fps. So I guess that's the limit of what it can do.
OK, not exactly fast, but at least it uses hardware 3D acceleration.
A PMMX 233 could get much higher scores with L2 cache and an appropriate 3D card, Radeon 7000 probably has high CPU overhead but not hardware T&L (like all other Radeon or Geforce cards) which might help.
If you really intend to play Quake on that machine you could either have a look for a tweak guide for glQuake, or you could try to make your Voodoo2 work, that card should is probably better suited for the CPU than any other.
Only issue I had with the voodoo2 is even if it was working properly , the machine would still use the onboard gpu outside the game , and the onboard gpu is awful.
The onboard only support 800x600 at 32bit , 1024x768 at 16bit , and anything higher is 256 colors.
This might be a dumb question , but can I attach the voodoo2 to the radeon 7000? I saw a youtube video of someone using a geforce 2 with a voodoo2 attached to it.
ok ran speed sys what am I looking for here the cpu mhz? it says 156
wrote:Only issue I had with the voodoo2 is even if it was working properly , the machine would still use the onboard gpu outside the game, and the onboard gpu is awful.
The onboard only support 800x600 at 32bit , 1024x768 at 16bit , and anything higher is 256 colors.
This might be a dumb question , but can I attach the voodoo2 to the radeon 7000? I saw a youtube video of someone using a geforce 2 with a voodoo2 attached to it.
Awful? I wouldn't say that. A Trio64V+ is very compatible in DOS, a good match for the CPU, and also quite fast, although you may have to use some tools for best performance (s3vbe20, s3spdup).
You are right about Voodoo2 not being used for the desktop, that was kind of the point with Voodoo1/2.
You are also certainly right about the resolutions, if that's not good enough for you you need another video card. For games this won't matter, even Windows games.
Sure you can use the V2 together with the Radeon. It's even possible that the Radeon is better suited for Direct3D games with the CPU than the V2, just try it.
