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First post, by Panties

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Hi all,

Someone donated to me a Pentium 90mhz motherboard, 32x4 EDO Ram. (I couldn't tell what board yet, as it wont display anything.)

After hours... of troubleshooting...
It was the PCI VGA card that died, so I have to replace it with Voodoo5 PCI(temperory).
I am limited to 1 PCI slot and 2 ISA slot.

1 ISA slot was already used for ES Soundcard.

Now I'm left with 1 ISA and 1 PCI.
My aim is to make this, as a Retro DOS Gaming machine. I have a spare Voodoo 2 PCI with me, so here's the question...

1. As far as I know, Voodoo2/1 has better DOS game support, compare to Voodoo5, correct?
2. Will Voodoo5 be able to use in MSDOS622 environment, for old games with 3dfx patch... like Tomb Rainder(example)?
3. If... I have to use Voodoo 2 for gaming, Than I have no choice, but to get an ISA card? If so, which ISA card is recommended?
-> Does anyone have 1 ISA VGA card to spare, to donate to me? I don't want to spend too much money off from Ebay for that and I'm not well-verse with ISA graphic cards.

Reply 1 of 16, by Rawit

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There is a compatibility list on Vogons somewhere concerning this. But you can also get yourself a Banshee.

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Reply 2 of 16, by oerk

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IMO a Voodoo 1 is already pushing it in a Pentium 90. This is more of a machine for unaccelerated DOS games.

ISA VGA card would be holding the system back too much. Either get a (cheap) PCI card like a Trio 64, or if you absolutely have to have a Voodoo card in there, a Voodoo 3 PCI. And keep the V5 for a faster system.

Reply 3 of 16, by SRQ

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A Voodoo 5 would be bottlenecking so hard it probably wouldn't even get warm.

Reply 4 of 16, by firage

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Voodoo Banshee/3/4/5 isn't compatible with old stuff and the P90 isn't compatible with newer stuff, basically. The CPU is too slow for any 3D acceleration really, and the lack of PCI slots makes it so it's not even a question.

Just get a nice DOS and VESA compatible PCI graphics card.

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Reply 5 of 16, by stamasd

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Like mentioned above, a P90 isn't really for 3D gaming. Get a good cheap PCI card like a Virge. Or at most a PCI TNT/TNT2.

(or if you want to get one of the weirdest gaming builds on this board, a Voodoo Rush 😀)

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Reply 6 of 16, by emosun

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I'd say go with a single voodoo2 , and literally any pci gpu like an old s3 card to use for 2d and the voodoo will handle the 3d.

Reply 7 of 16, by stamasd

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emosun wrote:

I'd say go with a single voodoo2 , and literally any pci gpu like an old s3 card to use for 2d and the voodoo will handle the 3d.

He only has 1 PCI slot. No space for two PCI cards.

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Reply 8 of 16, by NamelessPlayer

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I think a Voodoo2 wants at least a 300 MHz Pentium II CPU for most games, and the Voodoo5 calls for at least 1 GHz, though that could easily just be Unreal Tournament's demands for constant 60 FPS more than anything.

Honestly, you're best off going for one of those cards that support all those DOS rendering tricks without much issue on a Pentium 90. That system's best suited for 2D and maybe software 3D.

Reply 9 of 16, by leileilol

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Even a CPU that low can take advantage of a V2 over supposedly more appropriate 3d cards. Multitexturing helps, even on a 486.

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Reply 10 of 16, by CkRtech

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NamelessPlayer wrote:

I think a Voodoo2 wants at least a 300 MHz Pentium II CPU for most games

On the contrary, by the time I hit a Pentium II 266, I was running dual Voodoo2s in SLI. P2 233 Mhz was the minimum requirement for SLI. P90 was actually the minimum processor for a P2 alone. That was also a beauty of the Voodoo cards - If you didn't fork over money for a lot of horsepower at the time, you could easily catch up to the pack by adding a Voodoo card to your machine. I think the original Voodoo only required a "Pentium class" processor and didn't state a MHz requirement.

It was truly an eye-opener for most systems at the time.

Reply 11 of 16, by Ozzuneoj

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When my brother installed a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI in his Pentium 200 MMX system, we were blown away by the performance improvement in Glide and OpenGL games (upgraded from a Rendition Verite 1000).

I would say that any given game's CPU requirement will be significantly lower with any hardware acceleration, vs without it... but at the same time, with the OP's serious expansion slot limitations and the 90Mhz CPU, I'd be inclined to leave hardware accelerated DOS games for another system.

There are far more non-accelerated games that would benefit from a good 2D PCI card than there are games that would work better with a 3dfx card. Especially with such a slow CPU.

I'd get an S3 Virge DX, Nvidia TNT\TNT2 or some other solid performing (and highly compatible) PCI card and just go with that. There are some decent ISA graphics cards out there, but they are all going to be quite far behind any PCI card and anything that would be up to the task of handling later games is sought after enough that the price will be as high as just getting a different motherboard that gives you more expansion slots.

... although, as I'm typing this I just stumbled across this post...
Voodoo 2 DOS Glide compatibility matrix

I guess the majority of DOS 3dfx games can be made to work with a Voodoo 3... but I don't know about a Voodoo 5. Sadly, PCI Voodoo 3 or Banshee cards are going to be fairly expensive. You'd probably still be best off just finding a board with more than one PCI slot, or saving accelerated games for a different system.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 12 of 16, by Panties

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Thanks for all your feedback guys.

After reading all your feedbacks, I will work on the budget to get an ISA card and combo with 1 Voodoo2 PCI.

I'll have a look around. Time to hit Ebay! 😀

Reply 14 of 16, by candle_86

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You can always look for a Voodoo Rush

Reply 15 of 16, by NamelessPlayer

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CkRtech wrote:
NamelessPlayer wrote:

I think a Voodoo2 wants at least a 300 MHz Pentium II CPU for most games

On the contrary, by the time I hit a Pentium II 266, I was running dual Voodoo2s in SLI. P2 233 Mhz was the minimum requirement for SLI. P90 was actually the minimum processor for a P2 alone. That was also a beauty of the Voodoo cards - If you didn't fork over money for a lot of horsepower at the time, you could easily catch up to the pack by adding a Voodoo card to your machine. I think the original Voodoo only required a "Pentium class" processor and didn't state a MHz requirement.

It was truly an eye-opener for most systems at the time.

I was more or less guesstimating, though my recent adventures in Power Macintosh 6500 land suggest that a PowerPC 603ev at 250 MHz does NOT cut it for a Voodoo2. Driver's already screaming for a G3 when the scenery piles up on screen, MechWarrior 2 31stCC is noticeably less smooth on RAVE than I recall from the Windows Glide OEM release... so much for PowerPC being so much faster than x86!

Different architectures and OSes, I know, but I'm thinking about what the Voodoo2 can run at 60 FPS without being held back by the CPU. Quake is easy mode; Quake II and so forth, not so much. Might have to go SLI for those. Unreal definitely needs SLI. Alas, I only have one Voodoo2 at the moment, and anything that really needs two is probably better served by my Voodoo5 5500, lest it's one of those quirky early Glide games that won't run on anything later than Voodoo2 configured to act like Voodoo1 (MW2 Glide being one of them).

Still, it would explain why the original Voodoo Graphics card and GLQuake were considered must-haves. If all it took was one PCI card for any reasonably modern computer to suddenly have wicked fast 3D performance for the time...

Reply 16 of 16, by Panties

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Hi all,
Just an update,
I got myself a Voodoo 3 PCI instead.
and working like a charm.

Thanks all. 😀