Well I decided to reinstall 95 and try another bios.

Still didn't work so I installed a G450.

IT...Works....Go Figure.

So I truly wonder what's wrong.

Most probably updating the BIOS also changed some settings. No, it's not of course normal a BIOS update to break anything else, as long as the settings remain the same

konc wrote:

Most probably updating the BIOS also changed some settings. No, it's not of course normal a BIOS update to break anything else, as long as the settings remain the same

Yeah I didn't think that it was normal. Yeah I'm going to recheck this bios.

Which version of Win95 are you using ?
Perhaps it is also related to your problem (just guessing).
I mean, the older BIOS was closer to the Win95 days than the new one.
So perhaps some standards changed in the meantime and your driver/Win95 don't fit anymore.
If the problem persists, you could install Win98SE and some WDM drivers. Maybe they are more compatible with the new BIOS.

Just going to throw this out there, since I have the same motherboard. How about the settings "Video BIOS Shadow" and "Video BIOS Cacheable"? I have both disabled from random issues with enabling them. System is much more stable with them off.

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Which version of Win95 are you using ? Perhaps it is also related to your problem (just guessing). I mean, the older BIOS was cl […]
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Which version of Win95 are you using ?
Perhaps it is also related to your problem (just guessing).
I mean, the older BIOS was closer to the Win95 days than the new one.
So perhaps some standards changed in the meantime and your driver/Win95 don't fit anymore.
If the problem persists, you could install Win98SE and some WDM drivers. Maybe they are more compatible with the new BIOS.

I was using 95 C

That being said, I tried 98 and it works although I'm using the stock GART driver.

Kind of makes me wonder if the GART driver [4.43 To be exact] I was using in 95 decided to go stupid when I updated the bios.

Agent of the BSOD wrote:

Just going to throw this out there, since I have the same motherboard. How about the settings "Video BIOS Shadow" and "Video BIOS Cacheable"? I have both disabled from random issues with enabling them. System is much more stable with them off.

I'll check into that.

mastergamma12 wrote:

That being said, I tried 98 and it works although I'm using the stock GART driver

Stratch that off, tried to run AOE and the entire machine crashed

What revision is your motherboard? If it's rev 2.0 or lower, it might have the issue where it can't properly power AGP cards. Try a PCI card and see if it still hangs.

kanecvr wrote:

What revision is your motherboard? If it's rev 2.0 or lower, it might have the issue where it can't properly power AGP cards. Try a PCI card and see if it still hangs.

It is a Rev 2.0 card.

That being said, I reflashed again and it seems like now it's finally working.

Also my only PCI cards that I have are buggy Radeon cards.

I could try one of my Voodoo's but I really don't want to risk those.

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kanecvr wrote:

What revision is your motherboard? If it's rev 2.0 or lower, it might have the issue where it can't properly power AGP cards. Try a PCI card and see if it still hangs.

It is a Rev 2.0 card.

That being said, I reflashed again and it seems like now it's finally working.

Also my only PCI cards that I have are buggy Radeon cards.

I could try one of my Voodoo's but I really don't want to risk those.

If it's the 2.0 it has the AGP bug. The board can't properly supply power to the AGP slot. Best use it with a PCI video card. A voodoo banshee or PCI V3 will do fine, and there's little to no risk of the board damaging PCI video cards (or AGP ones for that matter).

Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost.

That being said, it's working now thankfully with the TNT2 so I'll probably pick up a Voodoo2 and a K6-III+

Thanks Everyone

Also I have an EPoX MVP3C-M but I need to solder a new Din Connector as the old one kind of broke off.

That reminds me, That board has the solder points for a Mini Din connector(PS/2) so I wonder if I can just solder one of those connector's on.

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Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost. […]
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Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost.

That being said, it's working now thankfully with the TNT2 so I'll probably pick up a Voodoo2 and a K6-III+

Thanks Everyone

Also I have an EPoX MVP3C-M but I need to solder a new Din Connector as the old one kind of broke off.

That reminds me, That board has the solder points for a Mini Din connector(PS/2) so I wonder if I can just solder one of those connector's on.

You could, but you could just use a regular PS2 header since most AT cases don't have a hole for the PS/2 connector punched out. As for your current setup, I'd use the epox board if sourcing a PCI video card is a no-go (they are silly expensive). Or you could use a regular 2D PCI card (S3, Cirrus Logic, Matrox) and a Voodoo 2 (or a pair of them 😁 ).

kanecvr wrote:

mastergamma12 wrote:

Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost. […]
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Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost.

That being said, it's working now thankfully with the TNT2 so I'll probably pick up a Voodoo2 and a K6-III+

Thanks Everyone

Also I have an EPoX MVP3C-M but I need to solder a new Din Connector as the old one kind of broke off.

That reminds me, That board has the solder points for a Mini Din connector(PS/2) so I wonder if I can just solder one of those connector's on.

You could, but you could just use a regular PS2 header since most AT cases don't have a hole for the PS/2 connector punched out. As for your current setup, I'd use the epox board if sourcing a PCI video card is a no-go (they are silly expensive). Or you could use a regular 2D PCI card (S3, Cirrus Logic, Matrox) and a Voodoo 2 (or a pair of them 😁 ).

If I do go about using the EPoX for that (Depends on how I feel/if this thing goes stupid again), I'll be using it in an ATX system because I don't have any AT cases.

As far as 2d PCI cards, I could either use these terrible Trident cards that I have no idea if they work or I could use an N9 Image 128.

Also what I meant about the Mini Din was that it's literally underneath the broken DIN connector that snapped off.

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kanecvr wrote:

mastergamma12 wrote:

Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost. […]
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Biggest problem with a Voodoo Banshee PCI or a Voodoo3 PCI is the cost.

That being said, it's working now thankfully with the TNT2 so I'll probably pick up a Voodoo2 and a K6-III+

Thanks Everyone

Also I have an EPoX MVP3C-M but I need to solder a new Din Connector as the old one kind of broke off.

That reminds me, That board has the solder points for a Mini Din connector(PS/2) so I wonder if I can just solder one of those connector's on.

You could, but you could just use a regular PS2 header since most AT cases don't have a hole for the PS/2 connector punched out. As for your current setup, I'd use the epox board if sourcing a PCI video card is a no-go (they are silly expensive). Or you could use a regular 2D PCI card (S3, Cirrus Logic, Matrox) and a Voodoo 2 (or a pair of them 😁 ).

If I do go about using the EPoX for that (Depends on how I feel/if this thing goes stupid again), I'll be using it in an ATX system because I don't have any AT cases.

As far as 2d PCI cards, I could either use these terrible Trident cards that I have no idea if they work or I could use an N9 Image 128.

Also what I meant about the Mini Din was that it's literally underneath the broken DIN connector that snapped off.

Yes I know exactly what connector you are talking about. A few boards have holes and silk-screening for a PS/2 port (5 pin midi-DIN) right under the KB DIN connector. If you do go ahead and use an ATX case the PS/2 connector might be partly obscured by the case, making it unusable (this is the case with my Biostar MB-8433UUD). Best go with a PS/2 header to be on the safe side.

kanecvr wrote:

Yes I know exactly what connector you are talking about. A few boards have holes and silk-screening for a PS/2 port (5 pin midi-DIN) right under the KB DIN connector. If you do go ahead and use an ATX case the PS/2 connector might be partly obscured by the case, making it unusable (this is the case with my Biostar MB-8433UUD). Best go with a PS/2 header to be on the safe side.

Perhaps.

Well thanks for the help.

Well by some insanity, I was able to get 95 to work with the system.

I think I tried another GART driver but it's working.