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First post, by kanecvr

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Hi guys. Does anyone have any experience overclocking the Q6600? I'm wondering how high you can (safely) clock it, since I have one in my main XP rig witch has also become my guest gaming PC since I regularly have friends or relatives over to play new and old games. It does great in older games (Stalker, Crysis, Doom 3, Quake 4, GTA III series and so on), and it also runs some newer games remarkably well! World of Tanks for example runs at 1600x1200 - on high at 30-40 fps, but I keep it at medium for 60-75 fps (it's a pretty competitive game and FPS + latency matter a lot). It also runs World of Warcraft, Starcraft II, SWTOR and Diablo 3, but it struggles a little with WoW and SC2 - as far as I can tell the CPU can't keep up. Here's the full configuration:

Intel Q6600 (Tuniq Tower 120)
Asus P5K64-WS (Intel P35 / DDR3)
4GB of Corsair XMS3 @ 1600MHz CL9 (2x2GB)
Geforce GTX 280
240GB A-Data SSD
250GB WD Caviar Blue HDD
730w thermaltake PSU
Zalman Z11 plus case
WinXP SP3 (32bit) + Win 8.1 PRO x64 dual-boot

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I'm currently running the CPU at 3GHz (333x9 @ 1.325v) with ram at 1600MHz, but I'm wondering if I can squeeze more out of it.

I plan to eventually build a dedicated guest gaming PC and dedicate this exclusively to XP gaming, but I'll be strapped for cash for the next few months. The dedicated guest gaming machine will,be built around the phenom II x6 1090t I got a couple of weeks ago, but I still lack a good AM3 motherboard and a faster video card. I'm thinking a modern mid-end AM3+ board or a older high-end AM3 board + a radeon 7970 or 280x. It will be at least a couple of months until I can get the parts needed for the new PC, so until then the Q6600 needs to do.

Now to the question - how much can I squeeze out of the Q6600 safely? Keep in mind it will be seeing pretty heavy use, especially over the holidays, so I need a safe OC. Any tips? What voltage / fsb worked for you?

Reply 1 of 30, by firage

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3 GHz is very safe. I think I settled at 3.2 GHz with my G0 stepping, while it did do more with higher voltages. You can probably get more out of it, but the key thing is you must do stability testing with a burning program for a couple of hours.

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Reply 2 of 30, by Jade Falcon

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Safely depends on 3 things
1: your systems cooling
2: your motherboards vrm
3: your psu

If you have good cooling, 8pin cpu cable and strong vrm along with a psu that can handle the load 4ghz would be my limit for daily usage.
But 3ghz is the highest oc most can hit and 3.2ghz on a g0

Reply 3 of 30, by kanecvr

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Jade Falcon wrote:
Safely depends on 3 things 1: your systems cooling 2: your motherboards vrm 3: your psu […]
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Safely depends on 3 things
1: your systems cooling
2: your motherboards vrm
3: your psu

If you have good cooling, 8pin cpu cable and strong vrm along with a psu that can handle the load 4ghz would be my limit for daily usage.
But 3ghz is the highest oc most can hit and 3.2ghz on a g0

I posted the specs above. The PSU is an 80+ bronze 730w. The mosfets suck, as on most Asus boars (sans the expensive maximus / rampage boards, those have great fets). This motherboard has been repaired (twice) and now uses much better mosfets off a dead DFI lanparty. It won't read CPU voltage correctly because of this (it shows Vcore as 0.003v in bios) but it reads independent core voltages correctly, and I tested the CPU voltage with a voltmeter just to be safe. The cooler is a gigantic Tuniq Tower 120. It barely fits in the case and it does a great job at cooling the Q6600 at 3ghz - it gets 61C tops in World of Tanks after a 4-5 hour gaming session.

Now I found some modded LGA 771 Xeon CPUs for 10-15$ locally - I can spare that much. The guy is listing several 3.0, 3.2 X5482 and even a 3.4 GHz X5492 witch seem to be based off the Q9xxx series CPUs, as they have 12MB of cache. Would these clock any higher?

Reply 4 of 30, by agent_x007

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Short answer : 3,6-3,8GHz 24/7 should be doable with good enough cooling (you have it).
I clocked B3 revision of Kentsfield (in form of QX6700), at 3,62GHz and ~1,45V Vcore : LINK
Key thing to stability is Vcore + Temperature, and next in line is VRM temp.
Q6xx0's love Vcore (and 1,2-1,3V VTT), nothing else is needed for high OC (like PLL/GTL/etc.).
Basicly : If Vcore is high enough, it will work fine (at least all 4 of my samples are/were like that 😉).
Oh and don't worry about Vcore too much - you can't kill those CPU's with even 1,7V (I tried 😁).

With Q6700 G0 (same thing as Q6600, just with x10 multi available), I got 4GHz on P5B "Vannila" MB, proof : SuperPi 32M - LINK, Fire Strike : LINK
It was bench stable, but using 9 MOSFET's in total (on 3 non-heatsink'ed phases), is REALLY pushing what VRM can do 😀
Side notes : I wasn't using a case, and I had to actively cool VRM (duh 😁).

As to 45nm Xeon's :
They will clock higher at lower Vcore, but you need to mod socket (or buy one with LGA 775 holes cut already). 12MB of L2 is really nice to have, if you can get one cheaply - I say go for it.

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Reply 5 of 30, by jesolo

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I asked the same question about a year ago - refer Intel Core 2 Duo (E8400) versus Intel Core 2 Quad (Q6600).
I've been running my Q6600 (G0 stepping) at 3 GHz with no issues. Everything else is running at "stock" speeds.

Reply 6 of 30, by MMaximus

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That is a mean looking PC case 🤣

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Reply 7 of 30, by Standard Def Steve

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I have a Q6600 that'll do 3GHz at stock voltage. My Q6700 does 4GHz/1600FSB quite easily on a P45 motherboard. Both are G0 chips.
3GHz is absolutely nothing for those old quads.

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Reply 8 of 30, by kanecvr

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MMaximus wrote:

That is a mean looking PC case 🤣

Yup - I've allways loved the Z11+. It's one of the better looking "mean" cases in my opinion 😀

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agent_x007 wrote:
Short answer : 3,6-3,8GHz 24/7 should be doable with good enough cooling (you have it). I clocked B3 revision of Kentsfield (in […]
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Short answer : 3,6-3,8GHz 24/7 should be doable with good enough cooling (you have it).
I clocked B3 revision of Kentsfield (in form of QX6700), at 3,62GHz and ~1,45V Vcore : LINK
Key thing to stability is Vcore + Temperature, and next in line is VRM temp.
Q6xx0's love Vcore (and 1,2-1,3V VTT), nothing else is needed for high OC (like PLL/GTL/etc.).
Basicly : If Vcore is high enough, it will work fine (at least all 4 of my samples are/were like that 😉).
Oh and don't worry about Vcore too much - you can't kill those CPU's with even 1,7V (I tried 😁).

With Q6700 G0 (same thing as Q6600, just with x10 multi available), I got 4GHz on P5B "Vannila" MB, proof : SuperPi 32M - LINK, Fire Strike : LINK
It was bench stable, but using 9 MOSFET's in total (on 3 non-heatsink'ed phases), is REALLY pushing what VRM can do 😀
Side notes : I wasn't using a case, and I had to actively cool VRM (duh 😁).

As to 45nm Xeon's :
They will clock higher at lower Vcore, but you need to mod socket (or buy one with LGA 775 holes cut already). 12MB of L2 is really nice to have, if you can get one cheaply - I say go for it.

Thanks for the tips! I'll have a go at 366x9 @ 1.35v, and then try 400x9 and see what voltage it needs at that speed and how hot it gets.

Thanks everyone for your input! I'll report back after some experimentation.

Reply 9 of 30, by Arctic

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I have a Xeon E5450 running at 3600MHz. (FSB 1600) @ 1.25v.
Probably the cpu can go higher but it is already very hot!!

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Reply 10 of 30, by agent_x007

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Arctic wrote:
I have a Xeon E5450 running at 3600MHz. (FSB 1600) @ 1.25v. Probably the cpu can go higher but it is already very hot!! […]
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I have a Xeon E5450 running at 3600MHz. (FSB 1600) @ 1.25v.
Probably the cpu can go higher but it is already very hot!!

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Arctic
Cooler: Thermalright HR-01 Macho

I recommend checking Tj. Max setting (Xeon E54x0 have 85C not 100C, source : LINK) or HR-01 mounting system (because HR-01 and Vcore 1.25V cannot get hot, or are you passive cooling that bad boy 😁).

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Reply 11 of 30, by Arctic

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So all my tools are reporting the real temperatures + 15°C ?

Thanks a lot! I set the Tj max offset in the core temp ini to -15 on all four cores and now I supposedly have much lower temperatures.
I am running some prime95 to test it now for the "real" temperatures.

Reply 12 of 30, by kanecvr

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The Thermalright Macho is by far the best air cooler I've ever used. The only downside is that it's MASSIVE.

Reply 13 of 30, by agent_x007

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Arctic wrote:

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So all my tools are reporting the real temperatures + 15°C ?

No... well, not all.
Each core temperature is calculated by subtracting sensor value from tj max.
Problem is that value (tj max), can be manipulated.
AIDA64 can display 85C as tjmax, real temp can show 90C, and Coretemp : 100C.
Because of that, they will show different temperatute values across all cores.

Only "CPU" sensor is actually measuring temperature.

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Reply 14 of 30, by meljor

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The q6600, i've used that one for years.. bought it brand new when it was just out and straight out of the box i ran it at 3ghz for a while. Then i bought a Tuniq 120 and clocked that bay to 3,6ghz with 1,45 v. Perfectly stable. That was the B3 stepping, later i went for the G0 stepping and that one could do 4ghz but it wasn't perfectly stable with 1,5v and i didn't want to go any higher voltage wise.

All this was done on an Asus X48 Rampage Formula.

So i settled with the G0 again at 3,6ghz. It could do it with 1,35-1,4v. Nice cpu and i had it a long time. Temps were okay, 100% loaded at 4 cores did 68 degrees celcius, tested with OCCT.

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Reply 15 of 30, by candle_86

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if its a GO, set voltage to 1.45, and set FSB to 1600, havn't meet a Q6600 GO that can't do 3.6

Reply 16 of 30, by nforce4max

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Just keep an eye on those vrm temps and it should be bullet proof like the old tier 9 IS 4 wink wink 😉

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Reply 17 of 30, by havli

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.... havn't meet a Q6600 GO that can't do 3.6

Then consider youself lucky 🤣
http://hwbot.org/submission/2372173_havli_cin … 600_3.63_points
and back in the day when C2Q was still relatively new I had another one which did 3.5 GHz top at 1.5V.

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Reply 18 of 30, by agent_x007

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havli wrote:
Then consider youself lucky :lol: http://hwbot.org/submission/2372173_havli_cin … 600_3.63_points and back in the day when C2Q […]
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.... havn't meet a Q6600 GO that can't do 3.6

Then consider youself lucky 🤣
http://hwbot.org/submission/2372173_havli_cin … 600_3.63_points
and back in the day when C2Q was still relatively new I had another one which did 3.5 GHz top at 1.5V.

Isn't P5WDG2 kinda old for pushing Quad Core's to 1600MHz FSB (which is needed for 3,6GHz) ?
Have you tried that CPU in something newer (like P965 or P35) ?

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Reply 19 of 30, by havli

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Old... maybe but this board can do 450 MHz FSB with dual cores, so 400 MHz @ C2Q should be doable as well. Anyway I think GA-P35-DS3 wasn't any better running this particular Q6600 last time i tried.
The other Q6600 (3.5GHz one) was running X38 Maximus Formula board. Actually most of my 775 CPUs are sub-average overclockers... except maybe 3.8 GHz E6600. Just a bad luck 😵

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