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First post, by Shadoron

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Hello Vogons members!

Longtime lurker, first time poster. I had hoped my first topic would be something a little more helpful to the community, but I'm having an issue with a PI-XP55T2P4 (S)S7 motherboard that I just picked up for a build. I wanted to list a detailed expanation of the process I've taken to troubleshoot my issue, but I've been battling with this board for three nights now, and I honestly can't remember everything that I tried. Here's a short explanation of the problem, and a list (in no particular order) of the solutions I've already tried. Hopefully someone can give me a good idea for what to try next.

The problem: Bought the board with 4 SIMMs of RAM, and a k6-2+ installed. The seller assures me the board functioned 100% before I received it. Has pictures of RAM and CPU tests, for whatever that is worth. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for now. Hooked the board up to a P4 era ATX power supply, which supplies -5V, and has something along the lines of 28A on the +3.3V and 30A on the +5V. Should be plenty of juice for a Socket 7 MB. Depending on how long the MB sat connected to the PS before I switched it on, I could get anywhere from .5 seconds of fan movement before it shut off, all the way up to the RAM test portion of the POST process, before it would shutdown. I've tried removing sticks of RAM, switching them with different sticks, and removing the TAG Cache chip on the MB. With only two sticks of RAM, the MB seems to power on longer. It doesn't matter what bank pair I use. I've taken out the BIOS chip and checked it on a EEPROM burner... and even re-burned the BIOS onto the chip. It had the proper patched BIOS to start with, and I re-burned the proper BIOS. Fresh CMOS battery. I've swapped out the K6 for a Pentium 200 MMX, and the MB will actually boot all the way to the "HD NOT FOUND" message... sometimes. If I let the board sit on the PS for a bit before startup, it will *sometimes* (meaning twice so far) actually boot up all the way. The more I power cycle, the shorter in the POST process I get before the MB will shutdown. With the K6, I would never get passed the memory test. The two times I've actually gotten it to boot, it seemed stable. The first time I let it run for about a minute, more so because I was in shock that it actually worked. The second, about 30 seconds. There has been nothing other than a Cirrus Logic PCI video card installed in the MB. Not even a keyboard. I've tested the video card and power supply on a DFI K6BV3+, and it will sit at the "HD failure message" for 15 minutes + without a hiccup. Am I looking at possible cap issues? Something with the voltage regulator? I find it odd that a p2 MMX (2.8v core) would get further into POST than a K6 2+ (2.0v core), but maybe I'm not looking at this the right way. Any insight or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'd really like to get to some benchmarking projects for Vogons!

Reply 1 of 7, by emosun

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Try different power supply. also try it installed in a case. some motherboards work when grounded.

Reply 2 of 7, by Shadoron

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I have tried it in a case. Made zero difference. Popped a modern power supply onto it, a 20 pin +4 pin, that I know works. Spun the fan for .5 seconds, nothing else. It's an ATX 2.3 though, so the output levels are lacking on the +5 and +3 volts. Are there any places to reliably get an older ATX PS? Aside from taking a chance on eBay?

Reply 3 of 7, by meljor

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The voltage margin for the intel might be bigger, i think a mmx will boot at 2.5v and still survive all the way up to 3,5v. The Amd will not so maybe it is the psu or something wrong with the caps or voltage regulator.

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Reply 4 of 7, by Tetrium

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emosun wrote:

also try it installed in a case. some motherboards work when grounded.

Are you sure about this? Is mounting particular motherboards in a case absolutely necessary for them to actually POST?

Only things I had troubles with with only a minor fraction of the boards I tinkered with, were that some boards actually required a battery and a couple actually required a mouse...I think.

Btw, I am using a grounded power outlet at all times when testing boards on my workbench.

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Reply 5 of 7, by meljor

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I don't think so, motherboards do not need to be grounded. That would mean a computer would not work when connected to an outlet that isn't grounded.
The room where i keep my computers does not have a grounded outlet.

If a board suddenly works when installed in a case (happened to me before) it usually means there is a bad connection and/or the board is warped.

I agree on the battery thing, also not posting without a keyboard happened (i have no explanation for that).

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Reply 6 of 7, by Tetrium

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To me, attaching a keyboard to the PS/2 is standard practice to me, kinda like attaching a display adapter and display device.
Mouse usually isn't actually required most of the time, but some FS s370 board would refuse to even POST till we attached a PS/2 mouse (it is one of very very few exception though, but shouldn't be excluded completely. It's kinda one of those silly OEM thingies but who cares, as long as it works right?).

My experience thought me that grounded outlet doesn't guarantee it will not work, but as my outlets are all grounded anyway and it's often required by manual (which doesn't mean non-grounded outlets will not work, just to be clear about this) I simply use the grounded cables as it's virtually no extra work anyway.

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Reply 7 of 7, by Shadoron

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Solved the problem... it was the lack of keyboard. I can't believe it. I would have never thought to try that, especially once I thought the board had other issues. Works like a charm as long as the keyboard is in the ps/2 port. Thanks for help!