How old games you want to play on it ?
4200 Ti is good enough in 90% of the cases (unless, you simply need something more powerfull).

agent_x007 wrote:

How old games you want to play on it ?
4200 Ti is good enough in 90% of the cases (unless, you simply need something more powerfull).

This PC is just to Slow for Windows XP and i have 2 other PC that have Windows XP that are a far bit faster with 6600Gt and 6800.. So i am doing up a Fast Windows 98 so if the 4200 Ti will work well with Windows 98 and have no major driver trouble i am leaning to that one..

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ElectroMan wrote:

mkubiak402 wrote:

This PC is just to Slow for Windows XP and i have 2 other PC that have Windows XP that are a far bit faster with 6600Gt and 6800.. So i am doing up a Fast Windows 98 so if the 4200 Ti will work well with Windows 98 and have no major driver trouble i am leaning to that one..

Pretty sure I've built quite a few similar Athlon systems with Windows XP in yearly 2000s with way less powerful GPUs than Radeon 9800 and they worked quite well. But it's also true that I distinctly remember Windows XP becoming slower and slower with each consecutive service pack. If you are certain that hardware is working fine, you could give a try to XP RTM or SP1-SP2. That is, if you want another XP machine and it doesn't look like you do 😀.

I'd say Radeon 9800 is much better suited for the processor than Nvidia Ti4200. I plan to use Ti4200 or something similar in my P3 800 machine, and I believe your Athlon is 2Ghz (without overclocking).

yeah the Service packs do a number on speed but the mother board i am running with this CPU only takes PC133 SDRAM not like the other 2 computers that I have
that can handle DDR 400 (PC 3200)..
I can give it a try and run XP on it but it was not as fast as my 3200+ or 2700+ that are running DDR i have a spare 3200+ for the one with the 2700+ but that will require a separate post..

My last "daily driver" windows 98SE system was an Applebred Duron (TbredB reduced cache) clocked at 2.4Ghz with a GF 4 ti4200, there were no problems specific to the 4200, drivers worked well.... Can't remember my best 3DM2k1 score, think it was over 16,000

Get the 9800PRO, ATI had good drivers for it for 98/2000/XP.

There was good 98 support quite a ways into the 2000s, because there was as much a "Stay with 98 for gaming" faction, as there is a stay with windows 7 faction now.

Well ROFL i ended up getting all 3 for $30 so maybe ill post some bench marks when they get in..

I need a good working 9800 Pro or 9800 XT. Too bad people who have "guaranteed to work" cards overprice their stuff on Ebay. Oh, you want a working card? $145 for this card! >.<

And I got a good XP build with an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ running Windows XP SP3. As it turns out, it works perfectly fine and quick...but only if you have memory. XP without Service Packs used to run on 256MB. After SP2, I was trying to run it with 512MB and it was still rather slow. But during my current rebuild, I got FASTER DDR-400 memory to run at 166 MHz FSB, as well as making sure I went from 256MB sticks to 1GB sticks. Now that the system has 2 GB of memory, it seems to run very fast and very smoothly, even with XP SP3 on it.

I think it was kind of like the problem people initially had with Vista. You had to have the hardware to back it up. If you didn't, it ran like shit. If you did, it was buttery smooth and a very pleasant experience.

Pre-SP1 it runs with about 64MB free on 256MB, after SP3 it's about 128MB left of 512.

Edit: but web pages are so large now you can have it thrashing within 5 mins of opening a browser.

mkubiak402 wrote:

agent_x007 wrote:

How old games you want to play on it ?
4200 Ti is good enough in 90% of the cases (unless, you simply need something more powerfull).

This PC is just to Slow for Windows XP and i have 2 other PC that have Windows XP that are a far bit faster with 6600Gt and 6800.. So i am doing up a Fast Windows 98 so if the 4200 Ti will work well with Windows 98 and have no major driver trouble i am leaning to that one..

I agree. XP covers a large period in gaming. I noticed games from 2005+ don't really run as well as they could on 2004-2005 machines, especially if you game @ 1600x1200 (or widescreen 1920x1080 for newer titles), so I'm using a Phenom II X6 1060t + R9 280x as my XP gaming rig.

Yea XP has massive code bloat, i tried SP3 and SP1 both on a Pentium II 400, with 256mb of ram. SP1 worked fine a few slow downs but nothing terrible, SP3 however i wanted to throw it out of a window for all the pain and suffering it was causing me.

candle_86 wrote:

Yea XP has massive code bloat, i tried SP3 and SP1 both on a Pentium II 400, with 256mb of ram. SP1 worked fine a few slow downs but nothing terrible, SP3 however i wanted to throw it out of a window for all the pain and suffering it was causing me.

ROFL

98SE was viable as your main OS for playing new games until around at least 2003-2004,

still, your CPU delivers EXTREME PERFORMANCE for Windows® XP 🤣

the nice thing about the 9800 apart from it being fast for the time is that it also had good performance with AF, the old geforces get a clearer performance hit with it, but for older games you might not need as much power, and the old geforce might have better compatibility at a few things,
still the 9800 can play very decently games like up to HL2.

Only if you have a CPU that supports SSE2. If not, then you can kiss Half-Life 2 goodbye. Steam basically won't let you play it. My Athlon XP 3200+ (2.3GHz) Barton won't run it at all. But it'll play perfectly fine on my Pentium M 2.1GHz system. Both have 2GB of RAM. The Athlon only has a Radeon 9550 (crap) right now. The Pentium M has a 7800 GTX (awesome).

My XP-M 2800+ will.... because it's a s754 K8.... had to look that crap up though, I coulda sworn they brought SSE2 in with the tbreds or something, guess not.

Hey, weirdy XP-M you're good for something after all.... I've still got 4 K8s I'd use before your worthless carcass, but you can do SSE2 so that's something eh?

FFXIhealer wrote:

Only if you have a CPU that supports SSE2. If not, then you can kiss Half-Life 2 goodbye. Steam basically won't let you play it. My Athlon XP 3200+ (2.3GHz) Barton won't run it at all. But it'll play perfectly fine on my Pentium M 2.1GHz system. Both have 2GB of RAM. The Athlon only has a Radeon 9550 (crap) right now. The Pentium M has a 7800 GTX (awesome).

well back in 2004 both Steam and HL2 worked fine without SSE2, so, it's likely possible to find a way to make it run unofficially at least,

but it's kind of crappy that steam doesn't run given that they have lots of old games in their store, but understandable given the rarity of CPUs without SSE2 still being used in their store, and I'm guessing we are not too far (probably still a couple of years left?) from them dropping XP support which will be a bigger problem for old hardware like this.

No no, Steam itself runs without SSE2, albeit without web page access. It's just HALF-LIFE 2 and the Valve game rendering engine that refuses to run. I'm able to play my older Steam games like the Jedi Knight games. Those are quite fun.

FFXIhealer wrote:

No no, Steam itself runs without SSE2, albeit without web page access. It's just HALF-LIFE 2 and the Valve game rendering engine that refuses to run. I'm able to play my older Steam games like the Jedi Knight games. Those are quite fun.

strange, I thought Steam required SSE2 since the survey reports 100% of CPUs as having SSE2
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

but, not all users take part in the survey, SSE3 is at least "only" 99.9%, so I think the other .1% are vogon members 🤣
perhaps you need whatever component is required for the webpages also to take part in the survey.

as for Hl2, the original version didn't require SSE2, perhaps it was added later with updates, I think vanilla HL2 got a major engine update around 2008-2009 or so, but the difference to the game visuals itself are not very noticeable, so if you have the original DVD and use some modified files for it to run without steam it would be fine.
also not sure if it's available for Hl2, but some games on steam allow you to select and run older versions.