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First post, by feipoa

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I have some 4MB, 3-chip, 30-pin SIMMs and was noticing that the two RAM chips are rated for 60 ns, while the parity chip is rated for 70 ns. So what is the speed rating for the module as a whole when parity is enabled - 60 ns or 70 ns?

Would a system which calls for 60 ns memory and uses tight memory timings do well with such modules?

I've seen this slower parity bit speed on a several 3-chip 30-pin SIMMs, including those in my box, and those online. I've also seen a good amount with the parity chip rated for 60 ns.

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Reply 1 of 5, by firage

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Very likely the slowest speed. I have a couple 60ns SPD rated 72-pin sticks with all 50ns chips next to 60ns parity.

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Reply 2 of 5, by feipoa

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Seems like a waste of more expensive chips. Has anyone tested this?

I've done some simple tests in which I know a particular motherboard at 40 MHz FSB needs 60 ns chips because when I use 70 ns with 0WS, it will get general protection faults in Win 3.11. When I put 60 ns chips back in, even though 2 of them have 70 ns parity, the system works.

However, I did not ensure that those two chips (out of 8 total) with the 70 ns parity were in the front of the line. They may have been in the back where Windows hadn't used those modules yet.

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Reply 3 of 5, by feipoa

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I ran the test again, with less RAM (16 MB) and had the two sticks with 70 ns parity in the first slots. I ran IE3 and Netscape 2 for a bit, and no crashes. When using 70 ns RAM, the system crashes just after Windows 3.11 boot. For the 70 ns RAM, I need to add 1 ws in the BIOS, for 60 ns, I do not.

Does this mean that 60 ns RAM with 70 ns parity is qualified for 60 ns? I still do not know.

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Reply 4 of 5, by derSammler

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Does this mean that 60 ns RAM with 70 ns parity is qualified for 60 ns? I still do not know.

Yes, it does. The parity chip can be slower due to the way it is accessed.

I had a 286 / 12.5 MHz running for years with 80ns RAM and 100ns Parity with no waitstate.

Reply 5 of 5, by firage

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Certainly it's going to be a lot more stable at 60ns than an all-70ns stick, but the question as I see it is whether a slower parity chip can officially rate as faster memory. I think most motherboards are very loose on memory for stability's sake, like in Phil's recent test with a couple speed grades that found no difference.

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