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First post, by Skyscraper

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Many people *cough cough* have probably wondered how many socket adapters you can stack! Just how far can you go before things just refuse to work?

This is the setup we are testing.

Socket 8 (VS440FX) ---> PPGA S370 (PL-ProII) ---> FCPGA (PL-Neo S370) ---> FCPGA2 (Lin Lin)

I bought these adapters along with a motherboard and some CPUs, the previous owner had probably tried to stack the adapters but failed .

Reasons that might have hindered him from succeeding.

1. The motherboard he used (and sold in the bundle) is known to not work with the PL-ProII.
2. The connector that fits on the PL-ProIIs little fan header on the power cable for the fan on the heat sink he used had plus and minus inverted (not the original PL-ProII fan).
3. The jumper settings on the Lin Lin did not match a configuration described in the "user guide" = back of the box.

With a Gateway 2000 Intel VS440FX motherboard listed in the supported motherboard list for the PL-ProII, the jumper settings on the Lin Lin configured for FCPGA to FCPGA2 and the little fan cable NOT plugged in I was ready for smoke test. The CPU used is a Tualatin Celeron 1400, the memory is the 64MB EDO and the video card a Matrox Mystique (2MB+2MB). I did not bother to update the BIOS as I diddn't even know what BIOS the motherboard had.

The big moment. I had never even powered on this exact motherboard before.

The motherboard POSTed pretty much instantly after I hit the power button. After the memory count I took this picture.

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I entered the BIOS setup and it seems the BIOS can see the Tualatin Celerons cache just fine...

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But does it run alright?

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I know member luckybob gets "REALLY suspicious" of people with all too tidy work benches and/or computer desks. I just want to let you know that you can relax Bob.

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Last edited by Skyscraper on 2018-01-25, 18:49. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 1 of 10, by luckybob

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wow. I just got called out.

that said, i do eventually want to try a pair of 8 to 370 adapters.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 2 of 10, by Skyscraper

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luckybob wrote:

wow. I just got called out.

that said, i do eventually want to try a pair of 8 to 370 adapters.

I also want another adapt... or it's more like I NEED another adapter!

Dual Celeron Mendocino 533 (@560) running on a Intel PR440FX would be soo much cooler than an Abit BP6... Or perhaps a couple of PIII-S @735...

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Reply 5 of 10, by Skyscraper

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vetz wrote:

Nice work!

I hope you'll do some benchmarks and test other CPUs and motherboards 😀

Would also be interesting to know if you need the PL-NEO 370 adapter.

Well of course I will play with my new toy!

Perhaps just not instantly. I will probably post some DOS benhmarks with the Celeron and the PIII-S tomorrow but I'm in the middle of some Socket 478 experiments and I dont want to get too sidetracked.

I will try to see if I can find a HDD with Doom and/or Quake already installed before going back to tinkering with my Pentium 4 stuff.

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Reply 6 of 10, by meljor

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Very nice!

I have some form of a ''cpu adapter fetish'' but didn't even know the socket 8 one existed. Nice stack and it seems to perform pretty good.

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Reply 7 of 10, by Anonymous Coward

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So you're getting 933MHz out of a Socket8 board? Not too bad. I bet not too many S370 chips were paired with EDO DRAM.

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Reply 8 of 10, by Skyscraper

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Anonymous Coward wrote:

So you're getting 933MHz out of a Socket8 board? Not too bad. I bet not too many S370 chips were paired with EDO DRAM.

Yes 😀

I got sidetracked! Something suddenly came up.

Yesterday I had to prepare for today.

Today I have driven almost 1000km (=621.5 miles) in my small old crappy pick-up, carried 600kg (=1323) pounds of goods from the eight floor (I did get help) and now I'm carrying said goods up to my apartment on the second floor from the parking lot a fair distance away... without help... I will do exactly the same thing the next Saturday... and the one after that and probably the one after that aswell... 4 trips should be enough...

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Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 9 of 10, by feipoa

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That sounds like a hearty exercise regime!

So you are running a Tueleron at 14x on a socket 8 board? Impressive. It would be neat to see such a setup in a dual CPU platform. It would also be interesting to benchmark the Tueleron 933 against a more conventional Tueleron system.

Is the system stable enough to install W2K or XP Pro?

How far can you take the system if using a PIII-S Tualatin? Is 10.5 the maximum multiplier? So 10.5 x 66 = 700 MHz? Were there unlocked samples? Can socket 8 boards be overclocked with a 75 MHz FSB?

Is PPro 180 to Tueleron 933 the largest leap in performance of any upgrade solution? I think Anonymous Coward was working on a socket 4 to AMD K6-III, which would make for a massive leap as well.

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Reply 10 of 10, by Vegge

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Skyscraper wrote:
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Anonymous Coward wrote:

So you're getting 933MHz out of a Socket8 board? Not too bad. I bet not too many S370 chips were paired with EDO DRAM.

Yes 😀

I got sidetracked! Something suddenly came up.

Yesterday I had to prepare for today.

Today I have driven almost 1000km (=621.5 miles) in my small old crappy pick-up, carried 600kg (=1323) pounds of goods from the eight floor (I did get help) and now I'm carrying said goods up to my apartment on the second floor from the parking lot a fair distance away... without help... I will do exactly the same thing the next Saturday... and the one after that and probably the one after that aswell... 4 trips should be enough...

Sounds like great fun 😎

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