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First post, by lilkuz2005

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hello all, i have been trying to get the best performance and smoothest experience with need for speed 4 high stakes in windows 98se, i have purchased a few graphics cards this past year as well a motherboard and cpu's trying to figure out whats causing the sudden dips in fps in this game, i have tested all resolutions, 16 and 32 bit, tested each option in the graphics settings, the game is fps locked to 64-65 fps, but no matter what settings i use the game will dip into the 50's and sometimes lower depending on the hardware im using,

a little over a year ago i purchased an Asus P3V4X v1.02 motherboard, got a couple sticks of crucial 133mhz memory and was using a pentium 3 650mhz cpu, running at 133fsb overclocked the cpu to 866mhz, i started buying graphics cards, i bought a fx 5500, a fx 5700ve 256mb, a geforce4 ti 4400, a geforce3, a 3dfx voodoo3 3000, every one of these cards had issues with fps dips, i also purchased a pentium 3 1ghz 133fsb thinking it could be a cpu limitation but again the same results.

i recently purchased a new motherboard, thinking about all the negativity i had read about the Via apollo pro 133a chipset i went for a 440bx chipset, i ordered an Asus P3B-F v1.04 and flashed the latest bios and installed my 1ghz 133fsb cpu in this build with my gainward geforce3, ran some benchmarks i scored 9172 in 3dmark 2000, thats roughly 1000 points higher then i was scoring with the P3V4X Via board, i was really impressed with these results, i then fired up Need For Speed High Stakes, and the same damn thing happened,

just this afternoon i installed a geforce4 ti 4400 in a P4 build using a 2.66ghz northwood, with 1gb of ram, tested with stock clocks then overclocked the ti 4400 to ti 4600 stock speeds, same performance dips, then i overclocked the P4 from 2.66ghz 133fsb to 3ghz 150fsb, same dips ran a few runs of 3dmark 2000 testing my overclocks and hit 16208, so i know it cant be a cpu limitation

i am at a loss, i have tested the original retail disk, tested all the patches i could find, tested a modern version that requires some files from the original disk to be copied over to work, every thing i have tried has resulted in the same crappy performance, except running the game on my main pc using the above mentioned modern patched version, v-sync enabled, it was locked at 60fps and never dipped bellow, but thats not my goal, i want to play the game on my old rig, has anyone figured out how to smooth this game out ? any help with this would be great

asus p3b-f, intel pIII 1000/133/256 thermaltake golden orb, 2x crucial 256mb pc133, nvidia geforce 3, aureal vortex 2, IDE to SD adapter samsung 128gb evo
asus p3v4x, intel pIII 650/100/256, 256mb pc133, 3dfx voodoo 3 3ooo, awe64 value!, 80gb hdd

Reply 1 of 5, by derSammler

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Use the trash drivers from the NFS3 (!) modern patch, they are newer and work very well. With the DX8 one, the game runs perfectly smooth on a GF2 GTS / MX400, even incl. the once Voodoo-exclusive effects.

Note that you must change the trash driver to use in the .ini file, otherwise it's using a Glide wrapper.

Reply 2 of 5, by lilkuz2005

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derSammler wrote:

Use the trash drivers from the NFS3 (!) modern patch, they are newer and work very well. With the DX8 one, the game runs perfectly smooth on a GF2 GTS / MX400, even incl. the once Voodoo-exclusive effects.

Note that you must change the trash driver to use in the .ini file, otherwise it's using a Glide wrapper.

i have tested all the thrash drivers from the modern patch in the driver folder, dx6, 7 and 8, im using a geforce3 in a pentium 3, and a geforce4 in the other, im pretty sure nglide will only work on the fx - 6000 series of nvidia cards, dx8 driver runs even worse, i have found the dx7 driver to perform the best but its still not smooth, i still cant max this game out even on my high spec p4 build, is it possible for a usb gamepad to bog a system down, i mean while in game the polling from the controller has to talk to the cpu, would a 15pin gamepad use less resources ?

im using this version of the modern patch http://veg.by/en/projects/nfs4/

asus p3b-f, intel pIII 1000/133/256 thermaltake golden orb, 2x crucial 256mb pc133, nvidia geforce 3, aureal vortex 2, IDE to SD adapter samsung 128gb evo
asus p3v4x, intel pIII 650/100/256, 256mb pc133, 3dfx voodoo 3 3ooo, awe64 value!, 80gb hdd

Reply 4 of 5, by lilkuz2005

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derSammler wrote:

As I wrote, use the trash drivers from the NFS3 modern patch. The ones included in the NFS4 modern patch are outdated.

i just tested the drivers from nfs3 and they are behaving the same way, im still getting frame dips, i guess i should leave frapps off and just play the game, it just bugs me that my 2 systems should max this game out, thanks for the help derSammler

asus p3b-f, intel pIII 1000/133/256 thermaltake golden orb, 2x crucial 256mb pc133, nvidia geforce 3, aureal vortex 2, IDE to SD adapter samsung 128gb evo
asus p3v4x, intel pIII 650/100/256, 256mb pc133, 3dfx voodoo 3 3ooo, awe64 value!, 80gb hdd

Reply 5 of 5, by SpectriaForce

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50fps in demanding scenes is not bad at all, I assume your frame rate decreases even more? I wish I could get that on NFS5 using my PIII system.