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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby KCompRoom2000 » 2018-4-17 @ 00:11

So, I bought an nVidia Geforce4Ti 4200 128MB AGP video card at a price that was worth the gamble, it came today.
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I took the time to test it, unfortunately, it has screen artifacts, I've tried both VGA and DVI outputs and I tested the card in two different computers (which are my Dell Dimension 4600 and my Athlon 64 rig with an ASUS A8V motherboard).
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I bought this card to use as a spare for my Windows 98 build just in case I ever saw the need for an nVidia GPU (for things like table fog and 8-bit paletted textures), but it turned out to have technical difficulties. Assuming the seller will let me keep it upon refund, I wonder which area is to blame, the RAM chips, the GPU chip, or the missing pin gap on the AGP connector.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby PCBONEZ » 2018-4-17 @ 00:15

luckybob wrote:Driving around yesterday, spotted a garage sale, saw these in the back, and picked them up immediately for $5 a pop.

I have no real-world knowledge about tubes. I know how they work in theory but not in practice. So I will cut my teeth on these. Worst case scenario, the Crosley 656 (wood) has very nice case. So worst case scenario, I could put a new radio inside. But if anyone has any sort of guidance when it comes to these things, I'm all ears. If nothing else it will be motivation to get an o-smell-o-scope.

kc8adu over at badcaps.net restores old radios.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby verysaving » 2018-4-17 @ 01:01

KCompRoom2000 wrote:So, I bought an nVidia Geforce4Ti 4200 128MB AGP video card at a price that was worth the gamble, it came today.
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I took the time to test it, unfortunately, it has screen artifacts, I've tried both VGA and DVI outputs and I tested the card in two different computers (which are my Dell Dimension 4600 and my Athlon 64 rig with an ASUS A8V motherboard).
IMG_1929.JPG

I bought this card to use as a spare for my Windows 98 build just in case I ever saw the need for an nVidia GPU (for things like table fog and 8-bit paletted textures), but it turned out to have technical difficulties. Assuming the seller will let me keep it upon refund, I wonder which area is to blame, the RAM chips, the GPU chip, or the missing pin gap on the AGP connector.


Could be the RAM but I would try to recap it first.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby slivercr » 2018-4-17 @ 06:48

luckybob wrote:...
This will be a fun LONG term project.

All your projects are long term, we're still waiting for pictures of your TRL-DLS build :lol:

Just a small joke, don't get mad.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby luckybob » 2018-4-17 @ 08:31

ugg. I have one of three video cards I want to use. I also dont have a case picked out. Then a new power supply. And i should be close to done.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby SpectriaForce » 2018-4-17 @ 08:58

luckybob wrote:
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luckybob wrote:Driving around yesterday, spotted a garage sale, saw these in the back, and picked them up immediately for $5 a pop.

I have no real-world knowledge about tubes. I know how they work in theory but not in practice. So I will cut my teeth on these. Worst case scenario, the Crosley 656 (wood) has very nice case. So worst case scenario, I could put a new radio inside. But if anyone has any sort of guidance when it comes to these things, I'm all ears. If nothing else it will be motivation to get an o-smell-o-scope.


I have no personal experience with old tube gear, but I've always heard that you should replace all of the paper/wax capacitors before even attempting to power it up. They're all 50+ years old now, and the electrolyte is long dead. Power testing them like that is a good way to blow the tubes, especially with the voltages involved.


indeed! I had a poke around the unit. Found a schematic, a diagram of the tube locations and everything. Because of the Age, I've found this unit might have its short-wave function disabled. Apparently it was a thing in WWII to disable shortwave radio for certain people. Something to do with aliens from other countries.

This will be a fun LONG term project.


You might want to subscribe to shango066 or radiotvphononut youtube channels.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby luckybob » 2018-4-17 @ 17:47

SpectriaForce wrote:You might want to subscribe to shango066 or radiotvphononut youtube channels.


I was hoping for a suggestion like that! thank you!

I popped the little black one open. It made noise, but was obviously in need of new caps. I'll start on it first.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby AlaricD » 2018-4-17 @ 18:49

luckybob wrote:Driving around yesterday, spotted a garage sale, saw these in the back, and picked them up immediately for $5 a pop.

I have no real-world knowledge about tubes. I know how they work in theory but not in practice. So I will cut my teeth on these. Worst case scenario, the Crosley 656 (wood) has very nice case. So worst case scenario, I could put a new radio inside. But if anyone has any sort of guidance when it comes to these things, I'm all ears. If nothing else it will be motivation to get an o-smell-o-scope.


Don't bring that up without using a Variac or at the very least putting an incandescent bulb *in series* with the radio's power, and of a wattage equal to or slightly higher than the radio itself. This will help test for (and prevent damage from) a short. You really want to use a Variac to bring it up to full power, slowly, over time. If you can carefully reseat all the tubes before doing this, that may be a good idea as well.

I have a 1937 GE F-107 that is amazingly sensitive and fairly selective, and that warm tube sound can't be beat.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby yawetaG » 2018-4-17 @ 19:12

brostenen wrote:That is an Mitsumi single speed CD-Rom drive. Yes it is unique, the way you load it. That model was actually the first drive that I ever had. And I was stupid to sell it back in 1995. The downside of this drive is the fact that it is operating in single speed, and as far as I remember, I had a dedicated controller for the drive


2+ on the dedicated controller. There also was a Mitsumi 2-speed CD-ROM drive that required that special controller, and the drive likely won't work on a normal sound card.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2018-4-17 @ 19:24

Most sound cards from that time had Mitsumi and other CD-ROM interfaces. I have an OPTi card from 1996 that even still has the Mitsumi interface.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby cyclone3d » 2018-4-17 @ 19:32

A Belkin Omniview 8-port KVM VGA/PS2/Serial
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Now I just need to find a DVI KVM for a good price and I should be able to hook up all my builds when the time comes.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby yawetaG » 2018-4-17 @ 19:35

derSammler wrote:Most sound cards from that time had Mitsumi and other CD-ROM interfaces. I have an OPTi card from 1996 that even still has the Mitsumi interface.


I sold mine (a long time ago) to someone who tried to get it going with a soundcard, and it didn't work for them. IIRC, the manual stated the drive was an ATAPI drive, but it wasn't...
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby derSammler » 2018-4-17 @ 19:57

That's why I wrote "Mitsumi interface". If it just says "CD-ROM" or something, it's IDE and not Mitsumi. The connectors are the same, but the drive will not work then. The OPTi MAD16 Pro or Oak Mozart-16 are sound cards that have a dedicated Mitsumi interface, for example.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby squiggly » 2018-4-17 @ 20:05

cyclone3d wrote:A Belkin Omniview 8-port KVM VGA/PS2/Serial

Now I just need to find a DVI KVM for a good price and I should be able to hook up all my builds when the time comes.


What do you do about audio? Hook them all up through an AV receiver? Or does this KVM magically do audio as well?
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby cyclone3d » 2018-4-17 @ 20:51

squiggly wrote:
cyclone3d wrote:A Belkin Omniview 8-port KVM VGA/PS2/Serial

Now I just need to find a DVI KVM for a good price and I should be able to hook up all my builds when the time comes.


What do you do about audio? Hook them all up through an AV receiver? Or does this KVM magically do audio as well?


There are some kvms that also do audio, but I couldn't find any for a good price that also had serial.

I'll be using a separate switch for audio at least for the computers hooked up to this KVM.

But then I also have a question of what to use with systems that use more than stereo for audio.

Edit.. I guess I could stack 3 8 to 1 stereo switches to take care of 5.1.

Or I could use 2x 8-way A/V switches to take care of 5.1.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby arncht » 2018-4-17 @ 20:58

the last puzzle for my 99q4 computer :) it was very hard to find one... ibm 34gxp 27g (i skipped the 34g version).

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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby spiroyster » 2018-4-17 @ 21:21

cyclone3d wrote:A Belkin Omniview 8-port KVM VGA/PS2/Serial
Now I just need to find a DVI KVM for a good price and I should be able to hook up all my builds when the time comes.

Are those DE9 connectors? Thats better than the Pro version o.0. Male VGA connectors though (like the Pro version) :(
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby appiah4 » 2018-4-17 @ 21:34

Received this lot in the mail today:

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The CPUs were pretty much completely loose in the box, so I spent a few hours in the afternoon carefully straightening bent pins. They all fit in sockets now, mostly hassle free.

The motherboard has a barrel battery that leaked slightly onto the resistors nearby. I will remove it with a soldering iron, brush the area with vinegar and give it a thorough wash tomorrow. Hopefully there is no permanent damage to anything.
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby tabm0de » 2018-4-17 @ 21:51

Needed it since I’m a turtles fan :)
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Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today

Postby cyclone3d » 2018-4-17 @ 22:06

spiroyster wrote:
cyclone3d wrote:A Belkin Omniview 8-port KVM VGA/PS2/Serial
Now I just need to find a DVI KVM for a good price and I should be able to hook up all my builds when the time comes.

Are those DE9 connectors? Thats better than the Pro version o.0. Male VGA connectors though (like the Pro version) :(


Yep, those are DB9 connectors.

Only the original series had those.

There are quite a few available on eBay right now.

The 16-port does't have them and I didn't look at the 4-port.

There are also some different KVM switches that can convert PS/2 to serial (use a PS/2 mouse and then have a PS/2 to serial converter on the PC... or I guess even on the KVM. Supposedly they don't require a serial compliant mouse either.
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