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First post, by EdmondDantes

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"Unable to Write to Drive C:
Files or data may be lost."

So days ago I mentioned trying to get a Soundblaster Audigy working in my system. Here's a link to that topic:
My motherboard seems to hate Soundblaster Audigy 2...

This overlaps with that. I'll try to keep it short.

I got addicted to Unreal Botmatch and installed Unreal Tournament (this comp has no modem so I only intended to play offline against bots).
CD1 installed fine. Then came the period I described in another post where I tried to get the Audigy working. It never worked, so I
went back to my system's default configuration, mentioned in that other topic.

I got to wondering why UT has two discs so I put in the second, saw it had bonus stuff, tried to install it.

That's when I got the above-mentioned blue-screen for the first time.

(Just to be clear: Disc 1 worked fine the first time, Disc 2 did not, but later on even Disc 1 will display these same symptoms)

I tried to cancel the install but it seemed the comp just locked up so I forcefully shut it down.

Windows suggested I run scandisk with surface error checking, which took literally a day only to find nothing.

Later I defragged the drive. Still no errors.

I tried to reinstall UT fearing the original install might be corrupt.

I get that blue screen again.

Uh-oh.

At this point my PC is entirely back to its original arrangement as described in the other post I linked to

My motherboard seems to hate Soundblaster Audigy 2...

No Audigies, no extrenuous PCI cards, just a Voodoo 3, a SB16 ISA, all normal.

I open the case up, take it apart and, unable to think of anything better to do, I re-seat all the cables.

I reinstall UT.

Same blue screen.

So I do the same thing again but this time I cut the power and spray some alcohol all over the motherboard
and connector slots on everything. I give it all day to dry because I need a nap at this point.

Same blue screen.

So now I get ready to format my C: drive thinking I need to just reinstall windows 98SE. Here I notice a
new symptom... my comp seems to suddenly hate floppy disks. Even ones it can read, it won't format.
Windows won't tell me why, and DOS always cites a "Track 0 error." Floppies that can't be read in windows
however will read fine if I load them up in Linux (which I have a boot CD for--called something like
Linux Xgamer or something like that. Its something my dad gave me).

So I instead boot using a Win98 CD, format the C: drive and reinstall windows (not from the disc, I
had a D:\ hard drive with a win98 "cab" directory and I install from that).

Very first game I try to install (after installing DirectX and Voodoo 3 drivers) is Unreal Tournament.

THE SAME DAMN BLUE SCREEN OCCURS AGAIN.

What. The. Hell.

Now it's looking like there's only three possibilities:

One, the hard drive is going bad.
Two, the cables connecting the drive to the motherboard are bad.
Or three... the motherboard is going rotten.

And I'm not sure what to do.

My first question is how can I confirm if the floppy disk thing and the hard drive are unrelated?

My second is could anything be causing this BESIDES rotten hardware? I can't see how since I formatted the C: drive
and the only thing installed now are basic drivers and an incomplete Unreal Tournament, but is there something else
that could cause this kind of situation?

My biggest fear is that its the motherboard, which would cost a hundred bucks to replace and this month I just
don't have the money for it. Is there anything I can do right now to rule that out?

Is there anything else you guys can suggest trying?

Thanks in advance.

Reply 1 of 11, by fitzpatr

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It could be having severe trouble reading from the CD Drive.

Are the Hard Drive and Optical Drive on the same IDE Channel?

Have you tried a different optical drive?

Try running MemTest. Those are cheap and easy fixes, even if they're low probability. It could just be that the hard drive is going bad.

If you have other parts, how is the time to start swapping. Hard drive seems to be the first one to try.

You could try getting a PCI IDE controller. They're pretty inexpensive.

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Reply 2 of 11, by EdmondDantes

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fitzpatr wrote:

Are the Hard Drive and Optical Drive on the same IDE Channel?

Yes they are.

Have you tried a different optical drive?

Not yet. I'll look at that when I can (the comp isn't with me right now)

Try running MemTest. Those are cheap and easy fixes, even if they're low probability. It could just be that the hard drive is going bad.

Problem: MemTest runs from a floppy disk. I don't know if I mentioned it but part of the issue I was having with floppy disks was I could no longer even boot from them. (The floppy disk is NOT on the same cable as the HD and Optical)

Reply 3 of 11, by debs3759

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EdmondDantes wrote:

Problem: MemTest runs from a floppy disk. I don't know if I mentioned it but part of the issue I was having with floppy disks was I could no longer even boot from them. (The floppy disk is NOT on the same cable as the HD and Optical)

You can get a copy of memtest that boots from CD.

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Reply 4 of 11, by dionb

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Athlon 700? Sounds like a Via Chipset, probably with 686B southbridge. That's asking for trouble with an SBLive-series Creative sound card like the Audigy. Technically Creative was working out-of-spec by using Intel-proprietary PCI extensions, but only Via chipets failed in a way that conflicted with the IDE functionality. Sounds like you got a good dose of that. It's been too long since I've had to deal with this, but if you look up Via 686B and SBLive you should find lots of hits...

Reply 5 of 11, by yawetaG

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EdmondDantes wrote:
fitzpatr wrote:

Are the Hard Drive and Optical Drive on the same IDE Channel?

Yes they are.

Try putting them on separate channels. Some boards have trouble using two devices on the same channel at once.

Also, try a different power supply to exclude a power load issue.

Reply 6 of 11, by EdmondDantes

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@dionb - I took the Audigy out when it wasn't working, and my current batch of problems started when I had an SB16 in there... though is it possible the Audigy did permanent damage to the motherboard?

So yesterday I had unplugged the hard drive (expecting to borrow another from a friend who wound up unavailable) but when I went home after seeing suggestions and plugged it back in, I tried to power on the machine....

BEEP BEEP BEEP (pause) BEEP BEEP BEEP (pause)

with nothing displaying on my monitor.

Well, fortunately I do have replacement parts on the way: one, I actually found someone selling the same motherboard at a much lower price due to it not having a processor (oh well, I'll just give it my current board's processor) and also some replacement hard drives in case those are the problem.

I'm still thinking once the replacement mobo come in I might send my original to someone to check it out (also because its ps/2 ports are bad and I dunno how to fix them and I would really like them fixed/reinforced--if you look at my posting history you'll notice I had an obsession with optical mice in DOS. This is why). Does anyone know a person/service like that who will do motherboard repairs for a fee?

Reply 7 of 11, by dionb

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This being an Epox: how are the caps looking? Do you have any way of measuring ESR?

Reply 8 of 11, by PcBytes

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dionb wrote:

This being an Epox: how are the caps looking? Do you have any way of measuring ESR?

Epox boards of that era need to have their caps replaced ASAP.

Imagine my joy when I first got my EP-7KXA - bulged caps AND leaking caps as well.

Didn't even think twice before yanking out nearly EVERY cap on the board and outright replacing them with newer caps of good quality. Especially the tiny buggers - those can be a living nightmare if they aren't replaced.

Just one Google search and I'm already seeing the dreaded Tayeh caps that were on my EP-7KXA being used on the EP-8KTA, although that quite makes sense since both boards came out in 2000.

tl;dr variant - Replace the caps ON SIGHT. Epox loved to use cheap caps (so did almost any manufacturer in that period) that over time will leak and bulge, making the board prone to errors and even make the board quit working.

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Reply 9 of 11, by bjwil1991

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The Unable to write to the C: drive could have the following issues with the HDD:

1) HDD is failing
2) IDE cable is loose or oxidized (likely)
3) IDE controller failure (can be caused by bad capacitors)
4) Dust and cobwebs that can cause a short (possibility).

I had that issue before in the past, so I backed up the entire hard drive (registry, Windows itself, and every bit of data, including games) with separate backup files (one for programs and games, one for Windows, and one for DOS and miscellaneous data).

I recommend putting a bootable diskette that can access, read, and write on FAT16 and FAT32 partitions, at the A:\> prompt, type in C:, and type in dir.

If you get something like this:

Volume in drive C has no label.
Directory of c:\
file not found
27,823.28MB free

It means your HDD is dead in the water. If you get something like this:

Volume in drive C has no label.
Directory of c:\
.
..
DIRECTORY [dir]
WINDOWS [dir]
27,823.28MB free

Back up your data ASAP to prevent the HDD from getting hosed.

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Reply 10 of 11, by EdmondDantes

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Hard drive is backed up. I haven't powered on the comp since last time I posted (was away for health reasons).

Unfortunately I don't have the tools or know-how to recap the board myself nor do I even know what "ESR" is. I didn't see any obviously-damaged parts of my own board but now that I've been alerted to this problem I'm going to be looking into repair services.

If you guys can recommend any, lemme know.

EDIT: Alternatively, recommend a different (more reliable?) motherboard. Basically something that equals or exceeds the specs on that Epox I've got, I'm not too picky as long as it has at least one ISA slot and one USB port (for my keyboard).

Reply 11 of 11, by ODwilly

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Badcaps.net offers a recapping service and a metric buttload of information.

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