the vga list updated with:
Cirrus Logic CL-GD5429 2M VLB
S3 86C805-P 1M VLB
Spea V7-Mercury P-64 2M VLB
Genoa Phantom 64 2M VLB #2

my favorite card (best overall performance, compatibility, output quality): Genoa Phantom 64 2M VLB #2

The reception would be better if you included some bar charts rather than straight text. Do you have a Trio64 VLB, S3 968, and GD5434 to compare as well? I'm surprised by the 2 FPS advantage of the ARK1000VL compared to the ET4000/w32p.

How do you get Wolfy3d to display frame rate? Is it the same as doom? doom.exe -timedemo demo3 ?

actually that is all, what i have (i had another buggy 864 and a 5428, what i sold). i dont think, the 968 has any advantage over the 964 in dos - maybe a different implementation can be better.
the wd bali32 has a 0ws jumper, this is the fastest card in vga. the vesa modes are there, and the dx4 is too slow over the vga resolution.

i will upload the whole benchmark suite.

with overclock, and optimized bios settings (just for try - basically i never use an overclocked retro rig - there is the next generation, if i need):
AMD 5x86 160/40
Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 rev 2.1
SiS 85C471
256kB 15ns
fastest, transparent VLB
16M 60ns 72pin FPM
WDC Paradise Bali32 1M VLB
ARK Logic ARK1000VL
BIOS 1.2 VBE
MS-DOS 6.22

If bali32 has 0 ws jumper, shouldn't all the graphic cards be using 0 ws jumper?

feipoa wrote:

If bali32 has 0 ws jumper, shouldn't all the graphic cards be using 0 ws jumper?

if they dont have... it is hard to do 😀 the 0ws for 33mhz, and above you should use the 1ws. but yesterday i had a boot with 50mhz fsb with 0ws. so i used every cards with default settings.
i always try the jumpers, because in the 90s, i had a wd90c33 - there was also possible to boost.

the tseng in dos is overhyped - it is fast, but the compatibility is not too good. same like at the et6000 pci - there is the riva128, which is more compatible and even faster from the mmx era.

Thanks for doing a big comparison.

The ET4000/W32p is one of those that tends to work at 0WS. (Set for the VL bus on the motherboard.)

you can set it, just it doesnt matter 😀 no difference. on the card => works. i ran every cards with the same settings.

I have a card that is identical to BALI32, but with a 2theMax BIOS. That particular card must have been a reference design from ARK that they provided to several other companies.
Anyway, I have never been able to get the card to work when the 0ws jumper is on, even at 25MHz. I have another ARK1000 card made by Octek, which is the only one I have ever seen that uses a different PCB. The 0ws jumper works on that card, but I can't tell that it actually does much of anything.

arncht wrote:

you can set it, just it doesnt matter 😀 no difference. on the card => works. i ran every cards with the same settings.

To be clear, you've tested setting JP28 & JP29 for 0WS and they did nothing, even with the cards that don't have their own onboard jumpers potentially affecting the result? Comes a little unexpected.

I assume you'd make all your measurements with them already set for the theoretically optimal 0WS then, if stability didn't appear to be compromised?

those jumpers set to 0ws all the time, this is the default for the 33mhz fsb. but there is another delay/no delay jumper too, where the delay is the default, but i did not see any difference, if i change it.

what worked at me:
* wait state jumper on the card (i also can set it on my ide card)
* bios settings (transparent mode)

but why should I measure something with different settings? i also looking for for the fastest card, i dont want to lie to myself...

here is the card

Yeah, I don't know what the VESA Delay jumper is supposed to do. Setting it to No Delay has stopped me from booting before, though.

I was looking at your expanded results in the spreadsheet. That 160MHz Am5x86 would make another interesting testbed.

So 0WS is standard at 33MHz, but what about higher? The cool thing about ET4000/W32p's is that they're capable of 0WS as you raise the bus.

firage wrote:

Yeah, I don't know what the VESA Delay jumper is supposed to do. Setting it to No Delay has stopped me from booting before, though.

I was looking at your expanded results in the spreadsheet. That 160MHz Am5x86 would make another interesting testbed.

So 0WS is standard at 33MHz, but what about higher? The cool thing about ET4000/W32p's is that they're capable of 0WS as you raise the bus.

for the 160/40mhz fps i used the highest settings (0ws anywhere, fastest bios settings)
for the 50mhz 1ws for the board and 0ws for the cards. it boots, but i did not tested it well.

I would also suggest booting the cards into Windows to check stability with the 0 WS jumper. I have found that sometimes, the graphics card works with 0 WS in DOS, but will show artifacts or freeze in Windows.

i uploaded my benchmark suite.

feipoa wrote:

I would also suggest booting the cards into Windows to check stability with the 0 WS jumper. I have found that sometimes, the graphics card works with 0 WS in DOS, but will show artifacts or freeze in Windows.

i dont use windows on this config.
i did memtest86 test, and doom more hours loops - it never will be stressed more. i never had stability problems after more hours gaming, demo watching.

Same here, until I loaded Windows 3.11. Removing the 0 WS jumper made Windows 3.11 work just fine.

What settings are used for the DOOM run? I used full screen and no sound, and got 4122 tics for demo1 and 1772 tics for demo3 (I believe this works out to 42fps). My specs are similar:

AMD 5x86 running at 33*3 with WB
Trident 9440 1MB (has a 0WS setting which is enabled)
SiS chipset
256KB L2 at 2-1-1-1 in WT mode
60ns FPM

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What settings are used for the DOOM run? I used full screen and no sound, and got 4122 tics for demo1 and 1772 tics for demo3 (I […]
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What settings are used for the DOOM run? I used full screen and no sound, and got 4122 tics for demo1 and 1772 tics for demo3 (I believe this works out to 42fps). My specs are similar:

AMD 5x86 running at 33*3 with WB
Trident 9440 1MB (has a 0WS setting which is enabled)
SiS chipset
256KB L2 at 2-1-1-1 in WT mode
60ns FPM

Please use the suite.

i updated the list with two mainboards:

MSI MS:4138 rev 1.3 SiS 85C471
Asus VL/I-486SVGOX4 rev 1.2 SiS 85C471

surprisingly, the oldest board is the fastest with the boosted bios settings.

mainboard index:
in the future i plan to retest the mainboards with a more compatible DX2-66