Well, the ATI 3850 is the fastest AGP ever made.. so there is that.

And if you want to play older PhysX titles, you can always get a PCI PhysX card or a PCI nVidia card (430) and use that for PhysX.

6800GT is going to be pretty GPU limited.

Yes I know about the 3850 but not really sure I want to dump that much money into an old graphics card. At that point I'm probably better off getting a complete pci-e system for the same price. I'm not really concerned about physx support.

actually I would question the radeon HD 3850 as the fastes AGP card. The Radeon HD 4670 was also sold as an AGP card and I remember it being faster in most benchmarks.

Koltoroc wrote:

actually I would question the radeon HD 3850 as the fastes AGP card. The Radeon HD 4670 was also sold as an AGP card and I remember it being faster in most benchmarks.

The memory bus is 128bit on the 4670.

Finding actual benches on the AGP versions is kinda hard.

Some of the 3850 vs 4670 reviews I saw were comparing a 256MB 3850 and a 512MB 4670 (PCIe). Which of course the 4670 is going to win in that situation.

Anyway, for a recent test of the 3850 and 6800GT, see this video review from philscomputerlab. The 3850 wipes the floor with the 6800GT.

https://youtu.be/uAVjgy9cY2g

Also, if you watch on eBay, you can score a 3850 AGP for $30-$35.... I have 3 of them now.

Well looking at completed listings on ebay show the 3850 around 100 dollars. Is there a previous model from the HD 2x series or before that would still be okay?

The main reason I'm trying to stay away from ati/amd is the drivers/compatibility. Even on much newer cards I've had issues with them so I don't know how they were in XP. Obviously I know the 6800 gt would be much weaker but I'd be willing to play at lower resolutions/details if I it meant I didn't have to deal with driver issues.

Xenphor, GeForce 6 series (6600, 6800) and GeForce 8 series chips are notorious for their bad epoxy between a flip-chip and a substrate. Due constant thermal expansion and shrinkage some micro-balls of the flip-chip loose electric contact. It could be even repaired temporary by heating chip with hot air. So long story short if you choose 6800GT buy only new one!

Hm ok. I decided to just get a sandy bridge motherboard and use that for xp instead. I guess I'll look for some gtx 750 card although even those are somewhat pricey it seems.

Koltoroc wrote:

actually I would question the radeon HD 3850 as the fastes AGP card. The Radeon HD 4670 was also sold as an AGP card and I remember it being faster in most benchmarks.

It is the fastest. 16ROP vs 8ROP, and 256-bit vs. 128-bit.
You simply need an OP CPU (OC'ed QX9770 or Phenom II x4), to actually see the difference 😉
4670 has better video acceleration and is A LOT easier to cool and power, it's usually also more expensive (because it's the fastest from newest generation of AGP cards).

Xenphor wrote:

Hm ok. I decided to just get a sandy bridge motherboard and use that for xp instead. I guess I'll look for some gtx 750 card although even those are somewhat pricey it seems.

Prices on the "newer" video cards are falling because of the recent crypto crash.

Just keep an eye out and be patient.

It helps to save searches on eBay and have notifications set up via email and the eBay app on your phone.

the pci-e 4670 is faster than the 3850 , changing the bus to agp isn't going to effect that. they made the 4670 in a 1gb flavor for agp that is pretty much the last say in agp performance.

You can actually run gta 5 on a 1gb 4670 agp provided you use the drivers that automatically install for windows 10. the 3850 cannot handle newer games very well with such a low amount of vram despite it being faster in theory.

there might be some tests where the 3850 could be faster , but the 4670 basically had the last laugh.

Edit: I once saw a comparison of the two cards where the person conducting the test insisted on only running them in directx 9 mode which was the weirdest thing on earth to see. it was to create a more realistic senario of what might have been possible back in the day. but it's 2018 so the test wasn't very credible at all despite having graphs and looking legitimate.

But for an XP system, DX10 is a moot point.

In any case, if I could actually get an AGP 4670 for a good price I would do a comparison myself since it is pretty much impossible to find any real review of the AGP 3850 vs AGP 4670.

emosun wrote:

the pci-e 4670 is faster than the 3850 , changing the bus to agp isn't going to effect that. they made the 4670 in a 1gb flavor […]
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the pci-e 4670 is faster than the 3850 , changing the bus to agp isn't going to effect that. they made the 4670 in a 1gb flavor for agp that is pretty much the last say in agp performance.

You can actually run gta 5 on a 1gb 4670 agp provided you use the drivers that automatically install for windows 10. the 3850 cannot handle newer games very well with such a low amount of vram despite it being faster in theory.

there might be some tests where the 3850 could be faster , but the 4670 basically had the last laugh.

Edit: I once saw a comparison of the two cards where the person conducting the test insisted on only running them in directx 9 mode which was the weirdest thing on earth to see. it was to create a more realistic senario of what might have been possible back in the day. but it's 2018 so the test wasn't very credible at all despite having graphs and looking legitimate.

You want to run a native DirectX 10 like GTA V games on a AGP system ?
And some say I'm mad 😁
What CPU you packed on that system ?

My results : Crysis
"Low" 1920x1080 :
3850 :
4670 :
"Medium" 1920x1080 :
3850 :
4670 :

cyclone3d wrote:

I would do a comparison myself since it is pretty much impossible to find any real review of the AGP 3850 vs AGP 4670.

I know! all the comparisons I've ever seen were frustratingly bad to say the least. I'm tempted to blow the a few hundred bucks myself just to do it properly

agent_x007 wrote:

My results : Crysis

oh yeah i had totally forgot where i saw the really bad comparison of the two running in directx 9 on an old OS and an old game , thanks for reminding me.

No problem 😀
I'm curious though : What platform you would use to run GTA V on 4670/3850 AGP ?
Sorry for OT (OP asked for a WinXP card).

agent_x007 wrote:

No problem 😀
I'm curious though : What platform you would use to run GTA V on 4670/3850 AGP ?
Sorry for OT (OP asked for a WinXP card).

GA-8I865PE775-G-RH (rev. 4.9)
one 4670 1gb
windows 10
8.970.100.9001 amd driver (not that you would have figured out to use that driver , would love you watch you rip your hair out running the drivers off amd's site)

and yes , I'd literally sacrifice using ddr2 in favor of not using the mess that is a n asrock 4core dual sata 2. I've used it far longer than you have. just review the bios update history of it and tell me it's not a hackjob to get those cards just barely functional on that mess.

agent_x007 wrote:

Sorry for OT (OP asked for a WinXP card).

the only thing you can show is the 4670 runs like crap on your motherboard , that's all.

emosun wrote:

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GA-8I865PE775-G-RH (rev. 4.9)
one 4670 1gb
windows 10
8.970.100.9001 amd driver (not that you would have figured out to use that driver , would love you watch you rip your hair out running the drivers off amd's site)

and yes , I'd literally sacrifice using ddr2 in favor of not using the mess that is a n asrock 4core dual sata 2. I've used it far longer than you have. just review the bios update history of it and tell me it's not a hackjob to get those cards just barely functional on that mess.

DDR2 ?
You plan on running GTA V on Core 2 Extreme X6800 ?
Because that board can't do 45nm or Quad Cores you know : LINK
To be clear : That CPU isn't fast enough.
PS. Don't worry, I managed to run HD 2900 XT with Windows 10, I think I can handle 4670 without pulling my hair out : LINK 😉
Thank you for driver info.

agent_x007 wrote:

You plan on running GTA V on Core 2 Extreme X6800 ?
Because that board can't do 45nm or Quad Cores you know : LINK
To be clear : That CPU isn't fast enough.

hell i'll run it on a celeron... know why?

because it'll run 10 times better than your machine running windows xp and directx 9. Now.... off you go. Go complain to somebody else about it.

emosun wrote:

hell i'll run it on a celeron... know why?

because it'll run 10 times better than your machine running windows xp and directx 9. Now.... off you go. Go complain to somebody else about it.

You really used solid arguments there...
Thank you, no further comment needed.