New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

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New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby hard1k » 2019-8-11 @ 21:06

Hello everyone,

So I'm delighted to present you another sound card project that we've already developed till the prototype stage: AWE64 Legacy

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Project team: Alex_NsD, CoolTweak, H_Rush, hard1k
Logo: mrDraud

Our project is inspired by this one made by anthony, but has gone a little further.
So, to sum up, it's a newly designed sound card built up from scratch, based on the original chipset of the 2nd gen Creative SB AWE64 Value (CT4520): Creative CT8920-NBQ chip and Creative CT1972-UAS/EMU8011-01 WaveROM.

New and reworked features include:
1. The onboard 28 MB of RAM - basically, it is an integrated SIMMConn Value (credits: Xu Wang aka SIMMConn) with an integrated 32Mb SIMM72.
2. True Yamaha OPL3 chipset (YMF262+YAC512) - the schematics were borrowed from the Resound OPL3 card (credits: TexElec). We still have to find the best way to make this function work along with the integrated CQM disabled/moved to 0x398h, we hope to get some assistance from you guys who wrote in this thread.
3. Intelligent MPU-401 onboard - it is an integrated HardMPU (credits: ab0tj).
4. Waveblaster header.
5. Routable MIDI Inputs/Outputs between both CT8920 / HardMPU parts and the Waveblaster header / MIDI pins of the gameport.
6. Redesigned analog part.
7. Onboard S/PDIF RCA output with onboard level convertor.
8. AWE64 Gold-styled 2xRCA analog output.
9. AC97 Front panel header.
10. The board complies with ISA Half-Size measures: 185 х 120 mm.
11. PCB has 6 layers with separate Analog and Digital planes. Power supply has its own layer.

FIRST MAJOR UPDATE (19/08/19)

SECOND MAJOR UPDATE (15/09/19)

QUESTIONNAIRE ON ADDITIONAL FEATURES - CLOSED ON SEP 15

Summary of the current progress and features:
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IMPLEMENTED & TESTED
   ALL BASIC FUNCTIONS
   CT8920+EMU8011
   SIMMCONN+SIMM72
   WAVEBLASTER HEADER (IN PARALLEL WITH LINE-IN)
   2xRCA OUT
   OPL3 (YMF262+YAC512, IN PARALLEL WITH CD-IN)

IMPLEMENTED, BUT NOT TESTED YET
   GAMEPORT
   S/PDIF OUT
   INTERNAL MPC HEADER FOR CD-IN
   INTERNAL MPC HEADER FOR LINE-OUT
   INTERNAL 2-PIN HEADER FOR SPK-IN (PCSPK)
   FRONT PANEL CONNECTORS HEADER (AC97 PINOUT, MIC IN AND SPK OUT MOVED THERE FROM THE MAIN BRACKET)
   INTELLIGENT MPU-401 ONBOARD, HARDMPU DESIGN (CREDITS: ab0tj)
   SWITCHES/JUMPERS TO CHOOSE THE ROUTING OF THE MIDI OUTPUT FROM BETWEEN BOTH CT8920 / HARDMPU PART AND WAVEBLASTER HEADER / GAMEPORT MIDI PINS
   SWITCHES/JUMPERS TO DISABLE THE OPL3, HARDMPU (AND CHOOSE ITS IRQ / IO PORT)
   FREE SPACE ON THE PCB FOR SOME ADDITIONAL STAND OFFS FOR THE DAUGHTERBOARD
   TB RIO COMPATIBILITY
   JP2 (MFBEN) FROM THE ORIGINAL CT4520
   REASSIGNED PARALLEL INPUT PAIRS: CD-IN + WAVEBLASTER; LINE-IN + OPL3

HELP NEEDED
   RESOURCE MAP (EEPROM FIRMWARE) FOR CQM AT 0x398H

DISCARDED DUE TO HIGH COMPLEXITY / LACK OF INTEREST / USELESSNESS
   NEW S/PDIF IMPLEMENTATION
   NEW ROM
   ADDITIONAL WAVEBLASTER HEADER
   MEDIATRIX 3D-XG STYLE FOR WAVEBLASTER HEADER ANALOG SIGNAL ROUTING (DB60XG COMPATIBLE)
   LED
Last edited by hard1k on 2019-11-13 @ 10:02, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby badmojo » 2019-8-11 @ 21:09

Well, I want one! Great work guys.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby dreamblaster » 2019-8-11 @ 21:10

Wow ! this looks amazing !
what a wonderful project !!
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby Tiido » 2019-8-11 @ 21:22

For OPL3 ports move, try to make a new PnP EEPROM with OPL3 given ideal IO location you desire and acceptable IO locations that also don't contain 388. Hopefully Creative's utils respect the EEPROM settings. Windows definitely will.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby GL1zdA » 2019-8-11 @ 22:29

Nice, will have to keep an eye on this project.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby mothergoose729 » 2019-8-11 @ 22:54

Beautiful looking PCB. I am very interested in this!
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby H_Rush » 2019-8-11 @ 23:42

This is a prototype. Audio ports and pin connectors will be black in the release version. It will also have a gold covered back panel.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby swaaye » 2019-8-12 @ 03:02

I feel like making this thread a sticky. 8)
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby Shagittarius » 2019-8-12 @ 03:24

I'll be keeping an eye on this, interested to learn more as dev continues.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby doogie » 2019-8-12 @ 03:37

Wow, it's really nice looking! Considering the pricing on AWE32/64 cards these days I am most certainly interested.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby White » 2019-8-12 @ 04:21

Good luck with your project!
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby xjas » 2019-8-12 @ 04:41

This is pretty neat! Nice looking prototype. The fact that this could fit in a slim PC without the bulk of an AWE64+SIMMCONN+SIMM is a big plus. Rear-bracket MIDI connectors (even if on a breakout cable) would be beneficial, IMHO - a lot of people are still gonna want to run an MT32, SC-55, etc. on these (including me.)

On that note I run a lot of MIDI gear in my music studio off an AWE64. Hit me up if you need info/testing of MIDI stuff on original hardware.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby hasnopants » 2019-8-12 @ 06:22

Good luck, looks awesome!
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby bregolin » 2019-8-12 @ 12:15

Great work, keep it up! Definitely interested
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby BloodyCactus » 2019-8-12 @ 12:22

Are there many CT8920 chips in the supply chain?
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby CoolTweak » 2019-8-12 @ 15:01

Donors for creating Awe64 Legacy.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby derSammler » 2019-8-12 @ 15:18

So you are destroying existing AWE64 cards to build your custom ones? Not sure about others, but in my opinion, it's completely pointless to destroy real retro hardware for a modern replacement.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby keropi » 2019-8-12 @ 15:28

jm2c, I don't think that harvesting AWE64 Values is that terrible... they are re-incarnated to something better plus there is a bazillion of them. You can't really buy those Creative ICs, basically it's the only way.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby hard1k » 2019-8-12 @ 15:32

Exactly. Moreover, we don't expect to build more than 30 cards given their very high overall cost, so it will be a very niche product for those who just think that a regular AWE64 is simply not enough. And very few original cards will get cannibalized on the way, and those will be the cheapest and most common ones - in my book it's a better destiny for them than just get recycled after being stored/listed on some local classifieds for ages.
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Re: New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy

Postby 640K!enough » 2019-8-12 @ 15:42

derSammler wrote:So you are destroying existing AWE64 cards to build your custom ones? Not sure about others, but in my opinion, it's completely pointless to destroy real retro hardware for a modern replacement.

If they end up with a superior result, where is the great harm in the effort? It's not like they are destroying some ultra-rare, high-end hardware; it's just a fairly common, base-model Creative card. If they can de-activate or supplement the CQM with genuine OPL3 and also manage quieter output, it's already a net gain.

If Creative weren't so apathetic or openly hostile toward community projects, there may have been other options. As it stands, they were left with no choice. It will be too expensive for me, but I still applaud the effort. It can be a great educational or professional development experience to undertake something like this.
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