PARUS wrote:What? I'm not confusing! Chipset throttling always was known and never depended on CPU model. Please be precise with your wording. We can't throttle P2/P3, we can only throttle i440/Apollo chipsets. And P2/P3 never can have better experience, P4 can be much slower than P2 and can be much faster than fastest P3. Do you think what you say? Two-layer throttling implementation with both chipset and CPU ways - this is NOT disadvantage, this is benefit! The only downside of CPU throttling is EMM386 issue. I know and I have told already about real lacks but you want to put all in a different context with "winning" P2 and "defective" P4. You can do like using P2 and P3 for retro purposes and you can crazy if someone doesn't but we talked not about this. Man has P4+ISA board already, and I didn't ask him to buy this board. I just told him what I know. Sorry that you like P2 and don't like P4. Despite this P2/P3 aren't better or worse, they are just different.
"P2 and P3 don't throttle via MSR's like P4's do" - you know this is incorrect. Because throttle.exe works with MSRs too but with SouthBridge's MSRs. OK, I'll say correct: "P2 and P3 based systems don't throttle via CPU MSR's like P4's do". Are you happy now? Why do you attack me not the first time?
I sincerely apologize to you if the tone of my remark was inadequately negative, and yeah, it's not the first time, but it always starts with you saying something along the lines of "P2/P3 cannot do this or that in general" (when in reality they actually can if they're a certain model or in certain circumstances) and me thinking you did this on purpose! To a random person who's not into advanced CPU slowdown techniques (something other than using Setmul or disabling the caches), the's a world of difference between the statements "cannot throttle at all" and "cannot throttle via CPU MSR's only", don't you agree?
I mean, it was never a big deal to me to include a link to your CPU MSR throttling guide when I was mentioning this capability of older CPU's:
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Could you please at least include a mere "[...] using CPU MSR's" at the end of such statements, so that they don't look misleading? It's hard to get these guys to know about any form of throttling as it is 😀
PARUS wrote:you want to put all in a different context with "winning" P2 and "defective" P4
Sorry, but I had to say it just because It seemed you were doing the same thing with "winning" P4 and "defective" P2/P3! 😀
PARUS wrote:Despite this P2/P3 aren't better or worse, they are just different.
This is exactly how I really think, and I couldn't agree with you more (P2/P3 are much slower than P4/C2D, no doubt about that, and probably less versatile, but this doesn't mean they're useless for speed-throttling builds). P4/C2D are just not for me, but there are others who can find them perfectly matching *their* dream time machine computers, and it's good to let them know such tricks even exist.