Dochartaigh wrote on 2020-01-19, 01:42:
dionb, I would LOVE to buy my way out of this...but I can't find a way too 🤣. And Max, yeah, the kicker is that 100mhz bus speed - just don't seem to be easily/currently available.
Well, no, they were niche 20 years ago and haven't exactly gotten any more common.
But my main point is you seem to be fixated on getting the absolute max specs for this system before you're even able to install an OS on it yourself, regardless of CPU. Maybe, just maybe, it would be better to focus on one thing at a time. First get it running as-is and get a feel for how this old crap works and doesn't work, and only when you're confident with that start modding and upgrading. There really is very little that will run acceptably on a P3-1000E that will not run on a P3-700E.
See it a bit like project management: you can try to do a massive waterfall thing that has to be absolutely perfect in every aspect, but then ends up getting bogged-down in unforseen bugs, delivered late and somehow still doesn't make the stakeholders happy. Or you can approach it from a more agile perspective: define a minimum viable product, get that running, then do everything else in small iterations based on priorities set after the last iteration was finished.
If you have a P3-700E system up and running, everything works fine, but speed is just a bit too slow in the games you are playing - that's the time to do the CPU upgrade. Don't let getting your system to the point where you can actually do stuff with it be delayed by things not necessarily on that critical path.
So guys, I really can solder just fine. This mod actually seems pretty simple. What isn't simple for me, and is over my head, is quantifying if doing this mod will work on my ASUS S370 adapter. There has to be several different versions of the S370 (and I'm not talking about the S370 -D, -DL, and -L versions...but this exact "S370" no-suffix one). Both these guys say theirs can be set to 1.65v through the jumpers...but mine only goes to 1.80v. Think I should still try it? I still need to cross-reference more but I think they're doing the same exact thing (hell, it could be the same guy posting in multiple places). ...if I screw it up it's not like I can use this adapter for anything else, right?
If it's a PPGA-only adapter, it has very little value indeed in its current state, so you're not exactly losing anything by giving it a shot. Apart from that, there are 1001 versions of these adapters, but basically they all do exactly the same thing: do the minimal changes necessary to support FC-PGA.
On top of that, many have:
- voltage jumpers to override the CPU's own pins. This is for overclocking/overvolting on motherboards without voltage jumpers. If you don't want to do that, it's irrelevant for you, regardless of available settings.
- multiplier jumpers to override CPU's own pins. All retail and OEM Celeron and P3 CPUs are multiplier-locked. This is only relevant for unlocked engineering samples.
- voltage regulators to run CPUs with different voltage requirements on older boards. Not relevant here as your slocket doesn't have it and your motherboard doesn't need it.
- circuitry to allow SMP (dual CPU), as on the MS-6905 Dual. Not relevant as you only have a single CPU slot.
In other words, it really just comes down to the pin mod described in that link, and that would be the same for any adapter. The rest is just irrelevant fluff at this point.
Oh, also wanted to ask, so what processors are actually meant to go with this Asus S370 if it doesn't work for Coppermine? Any of them up to around 1ghz by chance? (see, this is what I'm just not comprehending...I feel like I should already know this by now! Is it Celerons?)
Didn't I just list that? If it's a PPGA adapter it only supports PPGA CPUs, i.e. Celerons up to 533MHz. Absolutely great in their time, but that was vs Deschutes-core P2 and Katmai-core P3. Coppermine is basically a modified Mendocino that can clock higher, so is superior in all respects.