Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-01-20, 07:59:

I don't understand the question. Surely the iPad is the best gaming platform EVER

Kudos to those who get it.

Actually, I am going to turn this into a Juke Box and have it controlled remotely using my iPad and MS-Remote desktop app.

I know people (me included) laughingly refer to it as the 'snail case', but its actually always reminded me more of a giant marine ammonite fossil, so whatever you pick you need to water cool it. Hardware wise, base it around an FX-57 / 60 plus SLI'd NVIDIA and build from there.

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:25:

I know people (me included) laughingly refer to it as the 'snail case', but its actually always reminded me more of a giant marine ammonite fossil, so whatever you pick you need to water cool it. Hardware wise, base it around an FX-57 / 60 plus SLI'd NVIDIA and build from there.

Yeah, Water cooling it would be nice. But I never did one before and I don't want to try just yet.
I think I am going to get off the time period build and just go for hardware before 2010.

An Intel Core-2-Quad for (best performance )

I don't know why you guys keep trying to suggest crossfire, it was proven it never worked, only being fixed for cards starting around the 7970 and up after that revelation. pcperspectives ring a bell? counted the frame on frame counters but rendered a meaningless "runt" frame on screen? It's amazing AMD wasn't hit with a lawsuit over this. All the additional AMD cards people bought up to that point were useless other than money in the bank for AMD.

awgamer wrote on 2020-01-20, 23:02:

I don't know why you guys keep trying to suggest crossfire, it was proven it never worked, only being fixed for cards starting around the 7970 and up after that revelation. pcperspectives ring a bell? counted the frame on frame counters but rendered a meaningless "runt" frame on screen? It's amazing AMD wasn't hit with a lawsuit over this. All the additional AMD cards people bought up to that point were useless other than money in the bank for AMD.

This is funny because I bought a couple of referb 4870X2 cards, one of which ended up being faulty. But Crossfire certainly did work on the one that I used for a few days before I RMA'd both cards and Visiontek had me send both in and they sent me back a pair of 6870 cards which I put into Crossfire. Those worked just fine in Crossfire as well.

The only problem I ever saw before they fixed it was some micro-stuttering. The frame rate was way better with a set of cards in Crossfire and you could run much higher detail and/or higher resolution than with a single card.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:29:

Yeah, Water cooling it would be nice. But I never did one before and I don't want to try just yet. I think I am going to get off […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:25:

I know people (me included) laughingly refer to it as the 'snail case', but its actually always reminded me more of a giant marine ammonite fossil, so whatever you pick you need to water cool it. Hardware wise, base it around an FX-57 / 60 plus SLI'd NVIDIA and build from there.

Yeah, Water cooling it would be nice. But I never did one before and I don't want to try just yet.
I think I am going to get off the time period build and just go for hardware before 2010.

An Intel Core-2-Quad for (best performance )

Why C2Q? Definitely NOT the best performance hardware before 2010.

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-01-21, 01:51:

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:29:

Yeah, Water cooling it would be nice. But I never did one before and I don't want to try just yet. I think I am going to get off […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:25:

I know people (me included) laughingly refer to it as the 'snail case', but its actually always reminded me more of a giant marine ammonite fossil, so whatever you pick you need to water cool it. Hardware wise, base it around an FX-57 / 60 plus SLI'd NVIDIA and build from there.

Yeah, Water cooling it would be nice. But I never did one before and I don't want to try just yet.
I think I am going to get off the time period build and just go for hardware before 2010.

An Intel Core-2-Quad for (best performance )

Why C2Q? Definitely NOT the best performance hardware before 2010.

What is ?
I want to use Intel and WinXP Pro and 8gb ram and Nvidia Graphics card.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:24:

Actually, I am going to turn this into a Juke Box and have it controlled remotely using my iPad and MS-Remote desktop app.

It's not a bass transmission line, you know. Maybe you want one of these?

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-21, 02:42:

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-01-21, 01:51:

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-20, 20:29:

Yeah, Water cooling it would be nice. But I never did one before and I don't want to try just yet.
I think I am going to get off the time period build and just go for hardware before 2010.

An Intel Core-2-Quad for (best performance )

Why C2Q? Definitely NOT the best performance hardware before 2010.

What is ?
I want to use Intel and WinXP Pro and 8gb ram and Nvidia Graphics card.

Intel i7-975 as was mentioned before.

Fastest Nvidia card of 2009 would be the GTX295 or the GTX280 if you don't want SLI, but as I mentioned before, it is NOT the fastest video card either. The AMD 5970 is.. or the 5870 if you don't want Crossfire.
You can always still have an Nvidia card as well. Either for a hybrid setup and/or you can switch back and forth easily as well. Just have a monitor hooked up to each card.

Are you going to be running XP x64? I would if I was you. If not, then there is no reason to go over 4GB of RAM as 32-bit will not even see the full 4GB.. more like 3.25GB.

For the i7-975, you would want 3 or 6 sticks of RAM in order to take advantage of the triple channel RAM setup.

On the Intel side, the first CPUs they had that had on-die RAM controllers was with the LGA1156 and LGA1366 setups. The RAM throughput went through the roof compared to the older Core 2 stuff because of that.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-20, 18:59:

Well, What CPU and motherboard best conforms to this idea of a snail computer case in 2005 ?
What was the computer mind set back in 2005 ?

Blue led fans with blue cold cathodes with chrome plastic everywhere and uv sleeved everything, you had uv says, uv ide, uv power, and uv paint.

As for the absolute best parts go look at my post.

For examples of higher end builds, here are two of mine, actual pictures from back in the day -- first one is Nov 2006, the second is Sept 2009.

Athlon X2 5000+
Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe
2x2GB Corsair Pro DDR2-800
Nvidia 8800 GTX
Windows XP Pro

Intel i7 920
EVGA x58 SLI
3x2GB OCZ Platinum DDR3-1600
2x Nvidia GTX 295
Windows Vista Ultimate x64

It is 2020 and people still fail to acknowlege that 5850 is the faster card. Poor RTG.. You never had a chance. Your market is full of NVidia drones..

Not just faster, but the sharpest, cleanest image quality of it's generation.

If you decide to keep things strictly 2005:

candle_86 wrote on 2020-01-20, 05:11:

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So 2005

Athlon FX60 or x2 4800
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
2x1gb OCZ Platinum DDR600
2x 7800GTX 512
150gb Western digital raptor
320gb storage drives
Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZX
BFG Phsyx card

That's the ultimate 2005 gamer

I appreciate the attempted specificity. Preliminary research, however, indicates that the FX-60 was an early 2006 release. Also, I thought all PhysX hardware and games/patches started mid-2006?

awgamer wrote on 2020-01-20, 05:48:

2005, year before core 2 came out, top end was an FX-57 and 7800 gtx 512mb

I'd agree at this early point in my research that the FX-57 was the top gaming performer of 2005.

This thread is timely, as I recently acquired a rig locally for a reasonable price:
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
Athlon 64 X2 4800+
A couple of Raptors in RAID (don't remember the model)
"some ram idk" 😉 good troll BTW
Two 6600 GTs in SLI

I was only really interested in the motherboard and CPU. After seeing the prices of FX-60s, I decided to make this a 2005 rig. However, I don't expect the FX-57 to be much better in that regard, so the 4800+ may stay. The absence of 512MB 7800 GTXs also meant that I bought two 256MB 7800 GTXs to replace the GTs in SLI.

The case is an Antec SLK1600, which is a 2002 case with aesthetics I appreciate and cooling performance I do not. Back in 2003 , I had its superior kin, the Antec SLK3700AMB.

It would be more interesting --except to my wallet --to build an January 2006 PC, as kind of a last hurrah for AMD before the C2D reign. In keeping with the underdog theme, FX-60 would be joined by X1900XTX in crossfire. X1900XT X master card /dongle hunting, anyone?

This sounds interesting.

@piatd Nice 2005 PC. I started my builds at year 2004 so I went for a Socket 754 Athlon 64 3700+ and X800XTPE. Do you have any benchmarks from that build?

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-01-21, 09:56:

This sounds interesting.

It held the top spot on 3DMark's website for about a week until I was beat out by people with LN2 overclocking 🤣.

Those 295's are terrible though. I went through several different RMA's because they all developed artifacting even at factory clockspeeds. I would avoid them. I later switched to ATI 5870's. It hadn't yet been released at the time of my initial build purchase.

>The absence of 512MB 7800 GTXs also meant that I bought two 256MB 7800 GTXs to replace the GTs in SLI.

BTW, the difference between the 256 and 512 mb versions isn't just memory capacity, they gave the 512 mb version a 28% GPU performance boost and 41% more bandwidth . The later 7900 gtx boosted another 18% but reduced memory bandwidth by 6%, hence the 7800 gtx 512 is more similar to the 7900 gtx, which are all 512mb as well.

mpixels mtexels bandwidth
7800 GTX June 22, 2005 (256 MB) 6880 10320 38.4
November 14, 2005 (512 MB) 8800 13200 54.4
7900 GTX 10400 15600 51.2

What sound cards would you use ?
I want this to be a Music Studio/Juke box/Gaming PC running WinXP Pro 64bit.
I want to mount a touch screen display on top of the case and just use that.

I have:
Terratec ( 24/96 ) ( EWS88MT )
Sound Blaster ( Audigy 2zs )
Yamaha ( XG )
Hercules ( external )

None of the above are great at everything you ask, and I don't see how they could be.

Personally I would use an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 for the audio tasks and a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz for gaming (A3D, EAX).