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Reply 60 of 137, by root42

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Benedikt wrote on 2020-06-08, 09:17:

Nope. Still not interested. I'd rather try to finish the project before I expand it further. However, feel free to have a go at it!
Apropos connector: Are you sure that the DA15 socket you installed has the correct dimensions? It appears to stick out a bit, while at least the plastic part should be flush with the edge of the board.

Not sure, but if fits very nicely. it sits flush with the PCB, however the middle part is a bit raised, by maybe 1/2mm. But the borders where the posts are are flush.

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Reply 61 of 137, by Benedikt

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root42 wrote on 2020-06-08, 09:45:
Benedikt wrote on 2020-06-08, 09:17:

Nope. Still not interested. I'd rather try to finish the project before I expand it further. However, feel free to have a go at it!
Apropos connector: Are you sure that the DA15 socket you installed has the correct dimensions? It appears to stick out a bit, while at least the plastic part should be flush with the edge of the board.

Not sure, but if fits very nicely. it sits flush with the PCB, however the middle part is a bit raised, by maybe 1/2mm. But the borders where the posts are are flush.

What I mean is that you shouldn't see any plastic when looking at the card from below. Just the metal shell should be visible.
There are four or five different variants of that connector standard. The spacing between the pins and the edge of the board differs by increments of two or three millimeters.

Reply 62 of 137, by matze79

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I soldered what i have in my Parts Bin now.

What Type is the RCA Jack ? as you ordered already from Mouser root42, maybe you can tell me Partnumber ?

i miss only few small parts.
I can substitute 2N2222 with some other NPN Type i have plenty.
Some nice ones also in Alu Case 😀

If you use SwinSID you should get Precision Socket, the feather contacts are not good at all for round pins.

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Reply 63 of 137, by root42

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@matze79: just check the Mouser project. I attached it to the video description and I think I also posted it a few messages up. There you can see all the parts that I used. I swapped out the DB15 connector for a better one with hex screws, though.

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Reply 64 of 137, by matze79

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I`m blind, on first page is the type: KLPX-0848A-2-B

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Reply 65 of 137, by Benedikt

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I've updated the documentation a bit. Now it contains jumper settings and a prominent note that explicitly says that you have to adapt the BOM to the variant you want to build.

Reply 66 of 137, by root42

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Benedikt wrote on 2020-06-09, 15:50:

I've updated the documentation a bit. Now it contains jumper settings and a prominent note that explicitly says that you have to adapt the BOM to the variant you want to build.

Cool. I did not realize the notes for the resistor population for the different SIDs. I will get a real SID soon, on loan so I will have to try to rework that section and remove the unnecessary parts. And I see that there are even more changes for the audio output. Would be nice to have jumpers to switch between 6581 and 8580 though... 😀 Or maybe even between SID and STM32!

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Reply 67 of 137, by Benedikt

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If the SID you plan to borrow is a 6581, you might be able to get away with lifting pin 1 (bottom right) of the regulator and bridging pin 2 and 3, setting VDD to 12V.
If it's an 8580, you will have to replace the two configuration resistors (for VDD=9V) and probably also the SID's filter capacitors. (Note to self: Add a note with 8580 capacitor values!)
The other passives in the STM32 variant are unnecessary in the SID variant, but won't really do anything, meaning that you can leave them in there.

Reply 68 of 137, by root42

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Drawing the lucky winner of the Renovation in a few minutes:

https://youtu.be/jHteUjWhKYY

EDIT: And congratulations to Danijel! 😀

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Reply 69 of 137, by dionb

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Out of interest, has anybody tried this card with SwinSID and Ultima 6?

I have a similar one (Russian PCB crediting Fagear's card and strongly resembling it) and have both SID (6581) and SwinSID (set to same). Half the notes in the U6 title tune seem to be missing with SwinSID. Could my SwinSID be dead, or is this pretty much expected behaviour?

Reply 70 of 137, by matze79

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Hm i have no problem and my Fagear Card is running fine with SwinSID.
It sounds "almost" same then 6581, there only small differences.

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Reply 71 of 137, by Benedikt

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dionb wrote on 2020-06-14, 20:41:

Out of interest, has anybody tried this card with SwinSID and Ultima 6?

Actually, it has been tried with a SwinSID, only: https://youtu.be/0BeAUigWrrg?t=10800
The SwinSID generates its own clock signal, though, so the pitch might be a bit off compared to a real (or fake) SSI-2001.

Reply 72 of 137, by pii_legacy

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Lol, I discovered this project only 3 hours after the giveaway stream, that's too funny. Are PCB's available for purchase at this time? I'd love some SID magic in my DOS machine, I don't have a C64 anymore and used to only run soundmon really

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Benedikt wrote on 2020-06-14, 21:02:
dionb wrote on 2020-06-14, 20:41:

Out of interest, has anybody tried this card with SwinSID and Ultima 6?

Actually, it has been tried with a SwinSID, only: https://youtu.be/0BeAUigWrrg?t=10800
The SwinSID generates its own clock signal, though, so the pitch might be a bit off compared to a real (or fake) SSI-2001.

Sounds the same as on mine. It's more than just the pitch (which is close enough that I can't hear a difference), it's missing notes, maybe a whole voice, compared to the same thing with the real SID 😮

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Hang on, not so sure now. Just listened to a video with 8580 SID and it sounds the same too https://youtu.be/4JdUdZi97S0

Should make two recordings myself, but my 'companion' PC in my retro area is out due to upgrade until I get DDR4 RAM, hopefully Tuesday...

Reply 75 of 137, by Benedikt

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pii_legacy wrote on 2020-06-14, 22:21:

Lol, I discovered this project only 3 hours after the giveaway stream, that's too funny. Are PCB's available for purchase at this time? I'd love some SID magic in my DOS machine, I don't have a C64 anymore and used to only run soundmon really

No, there are no PCBs left. It was only a five-piece run for evaluation purposes. This card had never been built before, so we couldn't know whether it really works.
But as root42 said, you can always download the KiCAD files and order a new batch of boards. If you or anyone else want(s) to do that, feel free to announce it here!

If it doesn't have to be this specific design, you could also ask Fagear for one of his SSI-2001 compatible cards. I don't know whether he still sells them.

dionb wrote on 2020-06-14, 22:36:
Sounds the same as on mine. It's more than just the pitch (which is close enough that I can't hear a difference), it's missing n […]
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Sounds the same as on mine. It's more than just the pitch (which is close enough that I can't hear a difference), it's missing notes, maybe a whole voice, compared to the same thing with the real SID 😮

Edit:
Hang on, not so sure now. Just listened to a video with 8580 SID and it sounds the same too https://youtu.be/4JdUdZi97S0

Should make two recordings myself, but my 'companion' PC in my retro area is out due to upgrade until I get DDR4 RAM, hopefully Tuesday...

Are you sure that you're not comparing it to the AdLib version?

There are some original Innovation SSI-2001 recordings in one of DBob's posts from 2011.
It's dead links, only, but archive.org still has the files:

Ultima VI - intro
Ultime VI - menu
Ultima VI - story
Ultima VI - gameplay
F-19 - intro

Reply 77 of 137, by root42

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pii_legacy wrote on 2020-06-16, 06:27:

I didn't notice the files were offered. Perhaps I will look into getting a small PCB run done. I would like to slap this in my PII.

I have a Mouser project shared, so that you don't need to make your own:

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Project … ssID=7cafd92be9

It contains everything except the 558, STM32 (that's optional anyway) and the SID (for obvious reasons).

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Reply 78 of 137, by Benedikt

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root42 wrote on 2020-06-16, 08:11:
I have a Mouser project shared, so that you don't need to make your own: […]
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pii_legacy wrote on 2020-06-16, 06:27:

I didn't notice the files were offered. Perhaps I will look into getting a small PCB run done. I would like to slap this in my PII.

I have a Mouser project shared, so that you don't need to make your own:

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Project … ssID=7cafd92be9

It contains everything except the 558, STM32 (that's optional anyway) and the SID (for obvious reasons).

But take a look at the schematic diagram, first!
You need more components or less components or different components depending on the variant you want to build.

Reply 79 of 137, by root42

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Benedikt wrote on 2020-06-16, 10:58:
root42 wrote on 2020-06-16, 08:11:
I have a Mouser project shared, so that you don't need to make your own: […]
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pii_legacy wrote on 2020-06-16, 06:27:

I didn't notice the files were offered. Perhaps I will look into getting a small PCB run done. I would like to slap this in my PII.

I have a Mouser project shared, so that you don't need to make your own:

https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Project … ssID=7cafd92be9

It contains everything except the 558, STM32 (that's optional anyway) and the SID (for obvious reasons).

But take a look at the schematic diagram, first!
You need more components or less components or different components depending on the variant you want to build.

Indeed. I *THINK* I put everything in there (except for the STM32), so you probably you need actually LESS.

@benedikt: any chance that in the future we might simply have three jumpers, to choose STM32/6581/8580?

Furthermore: Look at what I just got on loan - let's hope it still works!

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