darry wrote on 2020-09-06, 03:59:

I only have one spare PCI Express card and it is another Geforce GTX750 Ti and am pretty sure both are Zotac brand . I have seen […]
Show full quote

leileilol wrote on 2020-09-06, 03:46:

Do other cards work? Are you using 1.07/1.08 without a sound card? There's a nasty initialization-related crash if so (-nosound bypasses it)

I only have one spare PCI Express card and it is another Geforce GTX750 Ti and am pretty sure both are Zotac brand . I have seen this crash (or a very similar one) before on a Quadro FX 1100 (I think a vBIOS update fixed it), so I assumed it was the video card .
Pretty sure it's 1.08, but will have to check .
There is no sound card installed (even onboard Realtek HD audio is disabled in BIOS). CPU is a Core I3 2100, so a little faster than Quake expects . I will try it out with -nosound it out for curiosity's sake .

This machine is really meant as a Windows XP / Windows 10 dual boot build . I tested the GTX 750 Ti out of curiosity . I might test out it's VGA output too sometime (it's the newest card I have that still has native analogue VGA output), but I doubt it will be much different from that of any well designed VGA card with a fast RAMDAC .

-nosound fixed it, thank you leileilol . As expected on a recent Nvidia card, it flickers like hell at any VESA resolution except 1280x1024 , for some reason and only gets 52fps in timedemo2 at that resolution .
Also, I did test out it's VGA output while I was at it and the results were interesting, IMHO . See Re: Widescreen monitors and 4:3 aspect ratio compatibility thread for details .

darry wrote on 2020-09-07, 00:37:

a)I will take a photo of the 252B9 displaying upscaling 1280x800 to 1600x1200 . b) I can also try to take a photo of the 252B9 […]
Show full quote

cde wrote on 2020-09-06, 09:06:

darry, many thanks for your testing. Do you think you could take a close up (macro) picture of your 252B9 in the Voodoo 3 -> OSSC -> 1600x1200 configuration? For example the amount of munitions in the right bottom corner of DOOM. In theory your setup should be very close to being pixel perfect, so I'd be interested to see how well the 252B9 scaled 1280x800 to 1600x1200. Also, do you have image softening/sharpening options in your OSD? I remember being disappointed of my ASUS 2160p monitor that would not simply never line double 1920x1080 - it added a non-deactivable filter that would blur everything, leading to the impossibility of having a doubled pixel perfect 1080p. BTW if you test the GeForce 4 series you'll find out the amount of blurriness is even worse than the GeForce 5/6. Also, should I assume VGA picture quality of the FX 5900 XT is similar to the FX 5200?

a)I will take a photo of the 252B9 displaying upscaling 1280x800 to 1600x1200 .
b) I can also try to take a photo of the 252B9 displaying 1600x400 with line3x on y axis (1600x1200), but that mode has artifacts on my OSSC, so it is unusable (it is out of spec, but apparently works OK on some OSSC units) .
I will try a direct DVI capture of b as well, but not sure if it will work (189MHz pixel clock), as that would be, IMHO, the best case scenario with an OSSC Pro and 1600x1200@70Hz capable monitor .

Sharpness is set to 50% (neutral) and all artificial enhancements in monitor US are off . I have no control over scaling type or algorithm .

I will try to capture the DVI output of an FX5500 and a Geforce 4 Ti that I have, but that will be done at 1280x1024@75Hz for the FX5500 and 1600x1200@60Hz for the Geforce 4 Ti as these cards do not react well to my modded EDID .

A photo of a corner of an OSSC line-doubled 640x400 form Voodoo 3 VGA to 1280x800 image on a Philips 252B9 that scales it to 1600x1200 .

A video capture of the output of OSSC digitizing 640x400 form Voodoo 3 VGA as 1600x400 and applying line3x on the y axis . There are artifacts as this drives the OSSC at 189MHz, which is out of spec (has aforementioned artifacts on my OSSC and others).

EDIT: If the second option shown worked on my OSSC, it would essentially be the "Holy Grail", in terms of displaying 320x200 on a modern display, IMHO . Hopefully OSSC Pro will be able to do that .

EDIT2: @cde When you asked about the FX5500, did you mean over VGA or DVI ?

today was a wonderful day. One of my father computer tech contact gave me as a gift 40 pc agp and pci cards and a computer. I will name a few of them: Pentium III 1000mhz, Sound Blaster 16 ct2940, (not the one with opl3 but 1978) agp Radeon 9800 pro, agp geforce 5500, pci S3 virge dx, agp tnt2, agp radeon 9600 pro, agp ati rage 128 pro and ultra, agp matrox millenium G450, Geforce mx 4000, pcie geforce 7300, agp radeon 7000, agp radeon 9250, agp nvidia Vanta 16, pci Quadro 280.. and more i cant remember all of them right now. I'm very lucky today 😀

I will have more video cards for benchmark and picture quality tests when i have more time.
Right now i have 10 retro pc build and like 60-70 video cards and 10 sound cards. Wow! All of this within 2 months LoL! And in general, it costs me only a few dollars. I'm so happy !

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 02:29:

today was a wonderful day. One of my father computer tech contact gave me as a gift 40 pc agp and pci cards and a computer. I will name a few of them: Pentium III 1000mhz, Sound Blaster 16 ct2940, (not the one with opl3 but 1978) agp Radeon 9800 pro, agp geforce 5500, pci S3 virge dx, agp tnt2, agp radeon 9600 pro, agp ati rage 128 pro and ultra, agp matrox millenium G450, Geforce mx 4000, pcie geforce 7300, agp radeon 7000, agp radeon 9250, agp nvidia Vanta 16, pci Quadro 280.. and more i cant remember all of them right now. I'm very lucky today 😀

I will have more video cards for benchmark and picture quality tests when i have more time.
Right now i have 10 retro pc build and like 60-70 video cards and 10 sound cards. Wow! All of this within 2 months LoL! And in general, it costs me only a few dollars. I'm so happy !

With all those cards and an interest in quality comparison, you may want to consider on of those Datapath VGA capture cards .

darry wrote on 2020-09-09, 02:35:

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 02:29:

today was a wonderful day. One of my father computer tech contact gave me as a gift 40 pc agp and pci cards and a computer. I will name a few of them: Pentium III 1000mhz, Sound Blaster 16 ct2940, (not the one with opl3 but 1978) agp Radeon 9800 pro, agp geforce 5500, pci S3 virge dx, agp tnt2, agp radeon 9600 pro, agp ati rage 128 pro and ultra, agp matrox millenium G450, Geforce mx 4000, pcie geforce 7300, agp radeon 7000, agp radeon 9250, agp nvidia Vanta 16, pci Quadro 280.. and more i cant remember all of them right now. I'm very lucky today 😀

I will have more video cards for benchmark and picture quality tests when i have more time.
Right now i have 10 retro pc build and like 60-70 video cards and 10 sound cards. Wow! All of this within 2 months LoL! And in general, it costs me only a few dollars. I'm so happy !

With all those cards and an interest in quality comparison, you may want to consider on of those Datapath VGA capture cards .

Yeah i know, i should 😀
Maybe soon.

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 02:49:

Yeah i know, i should :) Maybe soon. […]
Show full quote

darry wrote on 2020-09-09, 02:35:

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 02:29:

today was a wonderful day. One of my father computer tech contact gave me as a gift 40 pc agp and pci cards and a computer. I will name a few of them: Pentium III 1000mhz, Sound Blaster 16 ct2940, (not the one with opl3 but 1978) agp Radeon 9800 pro, agp geforce 5500, pci S3 virge dx, agp tnt2, agp radeon 9600 pro, agp ati rage 128 pro and ultra, agp matrox millenium G450, Geforce mx 4000, pcie geforce 7300, agp radeon 7000, agp radeon 9250, agp nvidia Vanta 16, pci Quadro 280.. and more i cant remember all of them right now. I'm very lucky today 😀

I will have more video cards for benchmark and picture quality tests when i have more time.
Right now i have 10 retro pc build and like 60-70 video cards and 10 sound cards. Wow! All of this within 2 months LoL! And in general, it costs me only a few dollars. I'm so happy !

With all those cards and an interest in quality comparison, you may want to consider on of those Datapath VGA capture cards .

Yeah i know, i should 😀
Maybe soon.

Edit: I tested the PCI S3 Virge DX and picture quality is so much better than pci S3 trio64. PCI S3 Virge DX picture quality is very similar to pci 3dfx Voodoo 3.

I just tested others cards very fast and a agp Geforce FX 5500.

Right now, after testing more than 40 agp/pci video cards ( i tested some of them very fast, only for a few minutes, i will make a proper test soon with pictures) i can conclude for now, because of my pci fx 5200 and my agp fx 5500, that Geforce FX series beat all others pci or agp video cards i own for the picture quality at least in dos games. ( at least fx 5200 and fx 5500 )

Both the fx 5200 and fx 5500 have exactly at 100% the same picture quality. Both have the best sharpness, resolution details and clean picture with more details THAN any others videocards i have. They both beat all other videocards too for contrast and colors quality. They are both have the best brightness too, similar to 3dfx voodoo 3.

I'm very impress by the Geforce FX series picture quality. For retro build they are my first choice for picture quality. After that comes Voodoo 3, Tnt2, Geforce 2, 3 and 4 and S3 Virge DX. ( not S3 Virge GX2 and not S3 Trio 3D/2D and absolutely not the S3 Virge Trio64) Like i said Matrox Millenium and mystique have good enough picture quality, i just dont like them personally because of side-scroller problem in dos games

(Edit: I tested the PCI S3 Virge DX and picture quality is so much better than pci S3 trio64. PCI S3 Virge DX picture quality is very similar to pci 3dfx Voodoo 3.)

darry wrote on 2020-09-09, 00:57:

A photo of a corner of an OSSC line-doubled 640x400 form Voodoo 3 VGA to 1280x800 image on a Philips 252B9 that scales it to 1600x1200 .

Looks pixel perfect to me! Excellent 😀

BTW does this IPS panel have ghosting? It commonly manifests as a luminous patch in the bottom right corner that shifts as you move. To see it display a black image and look at the monitor in a completely dark room.

darry wrote on 2020-09-09, 00:57:

EDIT2: @cde When you asked about the FX5500, did you mean over VGA or DVI ?

Well I was just wondering if the VGA output from the FX 5900 XT was as sharp/bright as the 5200 and 5500.

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 03:20:

I'm very impress by the Geforce FX series picture quality. For retro build they are my first choice for picture quality. After that comes Voodoo 3, Tnt2, Geforce 2, 3 and 4 and S3 Virge DX. ( not S3 Virge GX2 and not S3 Trio 3D/2D and absolutely not the S3 Virge Trio64) Like i said Matrox Millenium and mystique have good enough picture quality, i just dont like them personally because of side-scroller problem in dos games

(Edit: I tested the PCI S3 Virge DX and picture quality is so much better than pci S3 trio64. PCI S3 Virge DX picture quality is very similar to pci 3dfx Voodoo 3.)

Thank you very much for this testing! The FX series is also nice due to supporting table fog and palettized textures.

Hi! I just did some others testing. To be honest, i was wrong, the PCI S3 Virge DX is still not very sharp, its even blurred enough. Contrast is not great either, its like too much gamma. The result is similar to S3 trio 2D/3D. S3 Virge GX2 is awful because contrast is very bad, too much brightness and gamma. And for S3 trio 64 picture is blurred a lot with a big yellow tint. No S3 video card is good enough for me. I tested a agp TNT2 and its very good, same result than pci tnt2. Still the sharpness and contrast cant be good like Voodoo 3 or FX 5200, but i'm honest its still very good.

I will make more complete tests soon with pictures. And i didn't test Ati video cards yet.

For me in order of best picture quality, i will use only these video cards for dos gaming:

1. pci FX 5200 and agp FX 5500
2. pci Voodoo 3
3. Any of these video cards because their result is very similar: TnT2, Geforce 2, Geforce 3, Geforce 4.

I'm not a fan of the picture quality of others video cards. But i'm a difficult person. I know some people build system for a specific year, but really i can't live with these S3, trident, matrox anymore for dos gaming. I will make a exception when i buy a 486, because i don't think a FX 5200 in a 486 is a good idea. 😀

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-05, 04:58:

5. Voodoo Banshee. Mine is not very good. Text and details similar to tnt2, but colors are bad. Bad tint. and a big yellow tint is always present in all time and white looks yellow. Brightness is not good enough for me. Much worse than tnt2. Contrast is bad too. (I use keenfix in keen4 to get the normal colors in my lcd monitor.) 5 on 10.

7. Matrox mystique. Im sorry i put it in last place because the scrolling problem in keen4 is unbearable, its destroyed any fun. Otherwise text, clarity, details, colors, contrast is similar to voodoo3 , its very good. But 1 on 10 because you cant use it for side scrolling dos games. (If you are not gaming on dos or not playing side scrolling games than its a very good card like 8 on 10)

Re. 5. Your card is obviously not working right.

Re. 7. Knocking the card with the best IQ down to 1 because it works in an obscure and overall mediocre DOS platformer? Really? If the FX5200 is 10/10 then the Mytique is certainly at least 21/10.

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:14:

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-05, 04:58:

5. Voodoo Banshee. Mine is not very good. Text and details similar to tnt2, but colors are bad. Bad tint. and a big yellow tint is always present in all time and white looks yellow. Brightness is not good enough for me. Much worse than tnt2. Contrast is bad too. (I use keenfix in keen4 to get the normal colors in my lcd monitor.) 5 on 10.

7. Matrox mystique. Im sorry i put it in last place because the scrolling problem in keen4 is unbearable, its destroyed any fun. Otherwise text, clarity, details, colors, contrast is similar to voodoo3 , its very good. But 1 on 10 because you cant use it for side scrolling dos games. (If you are not gaming on dos or not playing side scrolling games than its a very good card like 8 on 10)

Re. 5. Your card is obviously not working right.

Re. 7. Knocking the card with the best IQ down to 1 because it works in an obscure and overall mediocre DOS platformer? Really? If the FX5200 is 10/10 then the Mytique is certainly at least 21/10.

My voodoo banshee is probably not working right.

The FX 5200 and 5500 picture quality is a lot better than Matrox Millenium in dos. FX 5200 and 5500 wins easily.

After that comes voodoo 3 and Matrox Millenium if you can live with the side-scroller problem of the Matrox Millenium.

No video cards are near the picture quality of the pci FX 5200 and agp FX 5500. Its a 10 on 10 for everything: sharpness, clean picture, details, contrast and colors.

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:16:

My voodoo banshee is probably not working right. […]
Show full quote

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:14:

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-05, 04:58:

5. Voodoo Banshee. Mine is not very good. Text and details similar to tnt2, but colors are bad. Bad tint. and a big yellow tint is always present in all time and white looks yellow. Brightness is not good enough for me. Much worse than tnt2. Contrast is bad too. (I use keenfix in keen4 to get the normal colors in my lcd monitor.) 5 on 10.

7. Matrox mystique. Im sorry i put it in last place because the scrolling problem in keen4 is unbearable, its destroyed any fun. Otherwise text, clarity, details, colors, contrast is similar to voodoo3 , its very good. But 1 on 10 because you cant use it for side scrolling dos games. (If you are not gaming on dos or not playing side scrolling games than its a very good card like 8 on 10)

Re. 5. Your card is obviously not working right.

Re. 7. Knocking the card with the best IQ down to 1 because it works in an obscure and overall mediocre DOS platformer? Really? If the FX5200 is 10/10 then the Mytique is certainly at least 21/10.

My voodoo banshee is probably not working right.

The FX 5200 and 5500 picture quality is a lot better than Matrox Millenium in dos. FX 5200 and 5500 wins easily.

After that comes voodoo 3 and Matrox Millenium if you can live with the side-scroller problem of the Matrox Millenium.

No video cards are near the picture quality of the pci FX 5200 and agp FX 5500. Its a 10 on 10 for everything: sharpness, clean picture, details, contrast and colors.

Not in my experience and not by a long shot. Every GeForceFX card that I have tried has an uncanny smoothness to its DOS output that is not a VGA signal issue, it most certainly has to do with how it's outputting 320x200 and text just never looks crisp to me regardless of whatever card or monitor pairing I try. Whereas with Matrox Mystique (the one I have is a 220 I think) or Millennium I get incredibly sharp text.

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:24:

renejr902 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:16:

My voodoo banshee is probably not working right. […]
Show full quote

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:14:

Re. 5. Your card is obviously not working right.

Re. 7. Knocking the card with the best IQ down to 1 because it works in an obscure and overall mediocre DOS platformer? Really? If the FX5200 is 10/10 then the Mytique is certainly at least 21/10.

My voodoo banshee is probably not working right.

The FX 5200 and 5500 picture quality is a lot better than Matrox Millenium in dos. FX 5200 and 5500 wins easily.

After that comes voodoo 3 and Matrox Millenium if you can live with the side-scroller problem of the Matrox Millenium.

No video cards are near the picture quality of the pci FX 5200 and agp FX 5500. Its a 10 on 10 for everything: sharpness, clean picture, details, contrast and colors.

Not in my experience and not by a long shot. Every GeForceFX card that I have tried has an uncanny smoothness to its DOS output that is not a VGA signal issue, it most certainly has to do with how it's outputting 320x200 and text just never looks crisp to me regardless of whatever card or monitor pairing I try. Whereas with Matrox Mystique (the one I have is a 220 I think) or Millennium I get incredibly sharp text.

Man that's very strange. My 2 Geforce FX have no smoothness at all. The picture is crispy, clean and detailed to maximum and text too. I still think that same video cards model dont always have the same result and the same build quality. And older video cards can lost their picture quality over years.

By the way, i found my Matrox Millenium to have a better picture quality than my Matrox Mystique.
( I have 3 different Matrox Millenium model i will test both of them soon.)

Maybe the FX 5200 and FX 5500 dont win by a long shot over the Matrox video cards, but FX 5200 and FX 5500 win for sure. I will test all of them again soon with pictures.

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:24:

Not in my experience and not by a long shot. Every GeForceFX card that I have tried has an uncanny smoothness to its DOS output that is not a VGA signal issue, it most certainly has to do with how it's outputting 320x200 and text just never looks crisp to me regardless of whatever card or monitor pairing I try. Whereas with Matrox Mystique (the one I have is a 220 I think) or Millennium I get incredibly sharp text.

What monitor do you use for testing? In my personal experience with both a 17" CRT and OSSC+1080p monitor, the VGA output of my FX 5900 XT is very sharp and clear. The DVI output otoh is indeed blurry when scaled by the card itself.

cde wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:36:

What monitor do you use for testing? In my personal experience with both a 17" CRT and OSSC+1080p monitor, the VGA output of my FX 5900 XT is very sharp and clear. The DVI output otoh is indeed blurry when scaled by the card itself.

Due to space constraints I have to work with flat panels these days so my recent experience is mostly based on these types of displays.

I remember trying FX cards on a Philips Brilliance CRT back in the day and even ATI cards of the day had impressed me far more back then. That is ancient history though, and I was a rabid ATI fanboy.

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 08:10:

cde wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:36:

What monitor do you use for testing? In my personal experience with both a 17" CRT and OSSC+1080p monitor, the VGA output of my FX 5900 XT is very sharp and clear. The DVI output otoh is indeed blurry when scaled by the card itself.

Due to space constraints I have to work with flat panels these days so my recent experience is mostly based on these types of displays.

I remember trying FX cards on a Philips Brilliance CRT back in the day and even ATI cards of the day had impressed me far more back then. That is ancient history though, and I was a rabid ATI fanboy.

I didn't test any Ati video card yet. But from my past experience Ati video cards have great picture quality. I didn't test them yet but i will do it soon. I know they all have the side-scrolling problem in dos games, but i think they have great picture quality.

I think you were not lucky with your Geforce FX model. That could explain the average picture quality. From what i read in forums maybe i'm not lucky with my S3 video cards for picture quality. My S3 trio64 should look better than this, even my S3 virge dx, gx2 and trio 2d/3d could be better i think. and my voodoo banshee should have a better picture quality, i think the big yellow tint is not normal.

appiah4 wrote on 2020-09-09, 08:10:

cde wrote on 2020-09-09, 07:36:

What monitor do you use for testing? In my personal experience with both a 17" CRT and OSSC+1080p monitor, the VGA output of my FX 5900 XT is very sharp and clear. The DVI output otoh is indeed blurry when scaled by the card itself.

Due to space constraints I have to work with flat panels these days so my recent experience is mostly based on these types of displays.

I remember trying FX cards on a Philips Brilliance CRT back in the day and even ATI cards of the day had impressed me far more back then. That is ancient history though, and I was a rabid ATI fanboy.

My MSI FX 5900 and Voodoo 3 look quite similar in DOS when outputting 640x400 (line-doubled 320x200), if you look at captures in one of my previous posts in this thread . Obviously, to really compare the VGA output quality of these two (and my other VGA cards) I would have to test at higher resolutions. Unfortunately, the Cam Link 4K USB capture device I have only does YUY2 subsampled output, which does generate chroma artifacts, especially when capturing non oversampled/linedoubled content . Since the OSSC does not line-double anything with more than 480 vertical lines or so, I am hesitant to make the effort to generate any test captures above 640x480 (line-doubled to 1280x960) because they would likely be significantly compromised by chroma artifacts .

There do exist RGB 888 and YUV444 capable USB capture devices, but the ones I have seen are quite expensive and it is not always clear up to which resolution actual 8-bit RGB or YUV444 capture is possible . The used Datapath PCI Express cards on auction sites look more affordable, but again it is unclear up tp which resolutions full 8-bit RGB capture is possible (YUV capture tops off at 422 on the VisionRGB-E1S) .

EDIT: I popped a question about E1S capabilities and alternative affordable USB capture devices in the VGA capture thread .

cde wrote on 2020-09-09, 05:57:

Looks pixel perfect to me! Excellent :-) […]
Show full quote

darry wrote on 2020-09-09, 00:57:

A photo of a corner of an OSSC line-doubled 640x400 form Voodoo 3 VGA to 1280x800 image on a Philips 252B9 that scales it to 1600x1200 .

Looks pixel perfect to me! Excellent 😀

BTW does this IPS panel have ghosting? It commonly manifests as a luminous patch in the bottom right corner that shifts as you move. To see it display a black image and look at the monitor in a completely dark room.

darry wrote on 2020-09-09, 00:57:

EDIT2: @cde When you asked about the FX5500, did you mean over VGA or DVI ?

Well I was just wondering if the VGA output from the FX 5900 XT was as sharp/bright as the 5200 and 5500.

Thank you for specifying . I will test my FX 5500's VGA output at 1280x800 when I get the chance .

I will also check for IPS ghosting when it gets dark here . On a semi-related note, I can say that backlight uniformity is good enough for me not to have noticed anything amiss . The Dell U2412M that I bought and returned due to a scratch had terrible backlight uniformity that was very noticeable even under normal lighting conditions and the research I did at the time, the monitor was likely within allowed tolerances on that front (very loose tolerances, IMHO).

I made more tests because i need to test some videocards and others computers. I tested some Ati video cards. I tested PCI and AGP video cards. On a 10 score i note the sharpness, brightness + contrast and colors. I test again with a dos screen, a dos menu, Keen4 and Jazz. I know you want pictures, i didnt have enough time today for it. Another time i will do it with a more complete test and pictures. But please trust me, i was very careful when i checked the sharpness, brightness and contrast and colors. You can trust my eyes, my monitor and my results. But unfortunately the different brands of a same card model has different results. Different tnt2 vary in result.
And some video cards are old or aging more badly than others, so nothing can be 100% sure if you buy a video card for a great picture quality.

In order of best picture quality, this is my results:

1. pci FX 5200 and agp FX 5500
FX5500: Sharpness 10, Brightness 10, Colors 10
FX 5200: Sharpness 9.75, Brightness 10, Colors 10

2. pci Voodoo 3(Its only very slightly worst than FX)
Sharpness 9.5, Brightness 9.75, Colors 10.

3. Ati Radeon 9250 and 9000 ( i tested 4 cards)
Radeon 9000 and 9250: Sharpness 9.75, Brightness 9.75, Colors 10. But i cant live with the side-scroller problem, its horrible. ( I didnt test Ati rage 128 yet. I have 9 Ati rage 128 LoL! 4 normal, 2 ultra, 2 pro and one XL. Next time i will test them.)

4. MSI Geforce 3 Ti 200:
Sharpness 9.5, Brightness 9.5, Colors 10

5. TnT2: ( i tested 5 cards. The 2 best are by IBM and have similar result, 2 by other brands are worst and one Vanta 16 Tnt2.
The 2 best: Sharpness 9 Brightness 9 Colors 10
The 2 Worst: Sharpness 8 Brightness 8 Colors 10
Vanta 16 Tnt2: Sharpness 8.5, Brightness 10, Colors 10.

6. Geforce 2 MX 200:
Sharpness 8 Brightness 8 Colors 10

( My geforce 4 is now dead so i'm not sure about it)

7. Matrox Millenium (i tested 2 cards)
Sharpness 8 Brightness 8 Colors 10
( For now, I didnt test again the Matrox Mystique)
But i cant live with the side-scroller problem, its horrible.

8. Voodoo Banshee ( recapped card, i cleaned the vga connector, no more yellow tint, still blurred picture) Sharpness 7 Brightness 8 Colors 8

9. S3 Virge DX Sharpness 8 Brightness 5 ( Too much brightness, its not normal) Colors 8, but colors are washout because of the brightness.

9. S3 Trio64: Sharpness: 6 Brightness 6 Colors 6
My card is very bad, and have a yellow tint.

I have several others video cards i didn't test them today.

Thanks for your interest. I hope it can help some people.

Thanks for the test, but I can't trust the results. For reasons. I mean If i have a broken or shitty version of a card, I just don't test it. I can probably find a bad 5200 and there are many of low cost variants, with some bad picture and be like 5200 is a 7.

Id only trust these results if multiple cards of different vendors were tested per chip and then put the best one on this list and results from bad cards were thrown out.