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First post, by waterbeesje

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I'm currently upgrading my VLB system. It is based on the Aquarius MB-4DUV motherboard, currently runs a Cyrix 5x86-100, has 32MB 60ns RAM and a Paradise 4030 cache controller.

Few days ago I got a nice Cirrus Logic GD5428 VLB in the mailbox, it had 1MB and I upgraded to 2MB. This works fine and provides some bonus colours and resolution over the old GD5424.

This afternoon I managed to repair an Advance Logic ALG2228 VLB 1MB which had broken traces (actually fixed a bad earlier repair attempt by three previous owner). After testing it seems to be a little faster (~5-10%) than the 5428 in DOS benchmarks. The downside is, there are no sockets for ram upgrade, so no 16b colours at 1024 resolution. I can live with that.

Now I know the Cirrus had pretty good compatibility with everything, but for the ALG it's just guessing to me.

They both are not the fastest cards in VLB kingdom but they are all I have. Actually I don't need to have the fastest cards in the world.
I've got a K6-3+ with voodoo3, also good and fast DOS support.
I've got a 386 DX 40 with ISA GD542x too.
So instead on pure speed I think I need best general support.

So how would the ALG do, compared to the GD5428?

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 1 of 14, by The Serpent Rider

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2301 is mostly fine (for what 486 can handle anyway) - https://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS

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Reply 2 of 14, by clueless1

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I’d pick the Cirrus Logic with 2MB. You won’t notice the small performance difference but you might appreciate the extra VRAM more and the CL has unbeatable compatibility.

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OPL3 FM vs. Roland MT-32 vs. General MIDI DOS Game Comparison
Let's benchmark our systems with cache disabled
DOS PCI Graphics Card Benchmarks

Reply 3 of 14, by jakethompson1

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For whatever it's worth the Cirrus 542x were super common in 486 machines. Just thinking back to the second hand systems I had back in the 1990s I know I remember seeing a 5429, 5428, and 5426. So you can almost guarantee any 486 game was at least tested with one of those. Your post is the first I've ever heard of the ALG2228.

Reply 4 of 14, by clueless1

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I have not tested these exact chipsets in VLB, but I have tested very similar ones in PCI. The Avance Logic ALG2301.B PCI is roughly 3-6% faster than the CL-GD5430 PCI. Some specific numbers, tested on a Pentium 75 -
Doom:
ALG2301.B = 34.6 fps
GD5430 = 32.6 fps

Quake 320x200:
ALG2301.B = 18.5 fps
GD5430 = 17.9 fps

3DBench 1.0C:
ALG2301.B = 61.1 fps
GD5430 = 57.6 fps

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OPL3 FM vs. Roland MT-32 vs. General MIDI DOS Game Comparison
Let's benchmark our systems with cache disabled
DOS PCI Graphics Card Benchmarks

Reply 5 of 14, by matze79

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Anyone got working Windows 95 Drivers ? (using Windows 95C)

i have V7 VEGA Plus VL with BIOS 2.0 and did not manage do get any Driver working..
I Already tried a few from fi ftp mirror and other sources.

The ALG does very well in DOS.

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Reply 6 of 14, by waterbeesje

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Thanks for the advise and benchmarks. These benchmarks do confirm my own:
Testing with a DX2-66, 8MB ram, 265kB cache. (Yes different system, but benchmarks tend to scale well between these)

Pc bench 1.0c:
ALG: 43.3, 5428: 42.1, tgui9420: 38.8

Chris'3D VGA:
ALG: 30.7, 5428: 27.3, tgui9420: 25.5

The differences are small enough not to notice them. The very common gd542x cards just do what they're supposed to do, that's true.
I guess it would be the safer choice, and I'll put the 2228 aside for now.

Thanks all!

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 7 of 14, by squelch41

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What is the windows acceleration performance like with the ALG2228 vs the cirrus logic 5428?
Is it's directdraw performance comparible?

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Reply 8 of 14, by mpe

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They are almost identical. In my test I found my 5428 card (Genoa 8500VL) in spitting distance to ALG2228. The former is tiny bit better at 640x480 16M while later was slightly better at 1024x768 256.

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Reply 9 of 14, by squelch41

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thanks!

V4P895P3 VLB Motherboard AMD 486 133MHz
64mb RAM, CF 4Gb HDD,
Realtek 8019 ethernet + XT-IDE bios ROM, ES1869 soundcard, VLB Cirrus Logic GD5428 1mb VGA

440bx MSI 6119, modified slocket , Tualitin Celeron 1.2Ghz 256mb SD-RAM, CF 4GB HDD, FX5200 gfx

Reply 10 of 14, by waterbeesje

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mpe wrote on 2020-11-14, 21:55:
They are almost identical. In my test I found my 5428 card (Genoa 8500VL) in spitting distance to ALG2228. The former is tiny bi […]
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They are almost identical. In my test I found my 5428 card (Genoa 8500VL) in spitting distance to ALG2228. The former is tiny bit better at 640x480 16M while later was slightly better at 1024x768 256.

Screenshot-2020-11-14-at-21.47.57.png

Interesting reading time 😁
My decision went in favour of the 5428 due to great compatibility, but the ALG is still used from time to time in my test setup, based on some socket 2 board and DX2-66.

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Reply 11 of 14, by matze79

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I also had taken the cirrus it’s a nice Card which works with all software
The ALG has some downs in driver support and vesa modes

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Reply 12 of 14, by tomasmasa

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mpe wrote on 2020-11-14, 21:55:
They are almost identical. In my test I found my 5428 card (Genoa 8500VL) in spitting distance to ALG2228. The former is tiny bi […]
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They are almost identical. In my test I found my 5428 card (Genoa 8500VL) in spitting distance to ALG2228. The former is tiny bit better at 640x480 16M while later was slightly better at 1024x768 256.

Screenshot-2020-11-14-at-21.47.57.png

Hello Mpe, please help me. My Avance Logic ALG2228.A VLB card is missing Bios. Is it possible to upload DUPM bios? Thanks.

Reply 14 of 14, by tomasmasa

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mpe wrote on 2022-11-27, 21:18:

Here you go.

Thanks man, the card is alive.

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