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Reply 17480 of 27168, by Bruninho

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OMG, I found the only guy in the world who likes Windows 10. Lol

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Reply 17484 of 27168, by hyoenmadan

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Dmetsys wrote on 2020-12-10, 23:04:

You can continue to mince words all you want. The Service Packs for XP contained Windows Updates and the Windows Activation components. No kernel rewrites. Vista had a complete kernel rewrite in SP2.

Fuck*n complete utter LIE. Windows XP SP2/Win2003 SP1 kernel/hal/basedrv is so damn different from Windows SP1/Win2003 RTM, that you would call it an "Step-up" OS upgrade rather than a SP. I personally know it because ReactOS investigations have come to this very conclusion. That's why when they move from NT4 compatibility, they targeted Win2003 SP1/WinXP SP2 rather Win2000 or WinXP SP1/Win2003 RTM .

If you say "Vista had a complete kernel rewrite in SP2" then you can say the same from WinXP SP2, and by extension Win2003 SP1.

Reply 17485 of 27168, by evasive

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OH NO!

Not this old shit again. This discussion has been around since the windows 3.x/9x days and I am TIRED!!!!!!!!!!

I have seen each and every &^@$%$ version of windows. Like anything else on this planet: each to its own. There is no best or worst version of windows. It always depends on what you use it for, personal preferences, timeframe and what else was out there.

Can we PLEASE put this BS to bed before it gets out of hand and perma-bans are going out? I have seen this on too many forums too many times in the last 2 decades.

/micdrop

Reply 17486 of 27168, by Caluser2000

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Back on topic...

Going through and old 430meg hdd which was in my old 486dx33 system back in '94. That system wa originally a 286/16 until I fitted a pre-owned 486 mobo in it. Has Qemm/DesqviewX, Windows 3.1 and Geoworks 2.0 on it.

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There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17487 of 27168, by Shagittarius

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I love Windows 10, but I'm really not concerned if Microsoft sees me visiting Vogons and playing games. I think privacy concerns are really the only valid argument against 10.

Of course Flat design has been proven to be inefficient when compared to the designs that came before it, scientifically. Flat design is fashion over function. You can look into it but basically they discovered a flat design takes users longer to recognize and interact with causing all operations with user interaction to be slower than other traditional design types.

Flat design is a pox on user interfaces. Look to your own experience, I know I've acidentally clicked on windows behind the one I'm trying to interract with many times when they overlap because with flat design its very hard to distuinguish those overlapping windows.

Reply 17488 of 27168, by evasive

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Like anything else on this planet: each to its own.

Please take the windows discussion into a windows forum or at least into its own thread.

On topic: I am adding chipset info to the boards in UH19.

https://www.ultimateretro.net

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Reply 17490 of 27168, by Shagittarius

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On topic:
I just ordered some EDO to replace the FPM memory I had in my P133 machine. Can't wait for it to get here, do you think I will notice a performance improvement?

Reply 17491 of 27168, by Caluser2000

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Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 18:30:

On topic:
I just ordered some EDO to replace the FPM memory I had in my P133 machine. Can't wait for it to get here, do you think I will notice a performance improvement?

No. I have a shit load of them.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17492 of 27168, by Shagittarius

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 18:42:
Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 18:30:

On topic:
I just ordered some EDO to replace the FPM memory I had in my P133 machine. Can't wait for it to get here, do you think I will notice a performance improvement?

No. I have a shit load of them.

🤣! Bummer, I'm not so excited now =)

Reply 17493 of 27168, by Caluser2000

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Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 20:30:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 18:42:
Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 18:30:

On topic:
I just ordered some EDO to replace the FPM memory I had in my P133 machine. Can't wait for it to get here, do you think I will notice a performance improvement?

No. I have a shit load of them.

🤣! Bummer, I'm not so excited now =)

Sorry. Some systems were designed to use EDO ram only. There isn't really that much of a performance difference between the two.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17494 of 27168, by Shagittarius

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 21:29:
Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 20:30:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 18:42:

No. I have a shit load of them.

🤣! Bummer, I'm not so excited now =)

Sorry. Some systems were designed to use EDO ram only. There isn't really that much of a performance difference between the two.

It's weird my manual suggests that when running at 66Mhz FSB it should use EDO instead of FPM, but then it says you can still use FPM in 66MHz mode, I was thinking that maybe there might be a performance penalty there...

Reply 17495 of 27168, by Caluser2000

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Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 21:56:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 21:29:
Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 20:30:

🤣! Bummer, I'm not so excited now =)

Sorry. Some systems were designed to use EDO ram only. There isn't really that much of a performance difference between the two.

It's weird my manual suggests that when running at 66Mhz FSB it should use EDO instead of FPM, but then it says you can still use FPM in 66MHz mode, I was thinking that maybe there might be a performance penalty there...

If I remember rightly at the same clock speed FPM is a tad faster.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17496 of 27168, by drosse1meyer

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Bruninho wrote on 2020-12-11, 14:08:

OMG, I found the only guy in the world who likes Windows 10. Lol

🤣... win10 is a bit of a joke. moving around control panel applets does not make a new OS. windows updates have also been a damn mess...

i'd say win2k and win7 were my faves. vista and 8 were crap. ME i didnt even use. I agree that 98se and 95osr2 were better than their original counterparts.

P1: Packard Bell - 233 MMX, Voodoo1, 64 MB, ALS100+
P2-V2: Dell Dimension - 400 Mhz, Voodoo2, 256 MB
P!!! Custom: 1 Ghz, GeForce2 Pro/64MB, 384 MB

Reply 17497 of 27168, by Shagittarius

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Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 22:14:
Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 21:56:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 21:29:

Sorry. Some systems were designed to use EDO ram only. There isn't really that much of a performance difference between the two.

It's weird my manual suggests that when running at 66Mhz FSB it should use EDO instead of FPM, but then it says you can still use FPM in 66MHz mode, I was thinking that maybe there might be a performance penalty there...

If I remember rightly at the same clock speed FPM is a tad faster.

I will run some benchmarks, and memory specific tests before I do that swap, not to doubt you, just so I have non subjective personal results when I make the swap. I'll let you know how it goes.

Reply 17498 of 27168, by Caluser2000

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Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 22:19:
Caluser2000 wrote on 2020-12-11, 22:14:
Shagittarius wrote on 2020-12-11, 21:56:

It's weird my manual suggests that when running at 66Mhz FSB it should use EDO instead of FPM, but then it says you can still use FPM in 66MHz mode, I was thinking that maybe there might be a performance penalty there...

If I remember rightly at the same clock speed FPM is a tad faster.

I will run some benchmarks, and memory specific tests before I do that swap, not to doubt you, just so I have non subjective personal results when I make the swap. I'll let you know how it goes.

Cool. I look forward to te results.

There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 17499 of 27168, by aha2940

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Went through a couple more missions of Dark Forces. I'm on mission 13 now. So far, this game has become a favorite of mine, it's even better than Doom, having story, cutscenes, varied missions and objectives and, for the first time in history: storm-troopers that can actually hit a target!