Okay now I just want to use my 3com network card and do ethernet

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-08-13, 16:52:

In theory, home VoIP lines offered by major telecoms are meant to support up to class II fax still, which is about 9,600 bps IIRC. Also cell phones are meant to support slow fax modes also when everything is working optimally.

I was going to say exactly that. I have never seen a voip line than would not officially support fax. As of lately a lot of phone companies are doing "HD voice" for their VoIP lines which may be G.711 or the like which is not much worse than your average POTS. What may kill faster modem rates is latency & jitter, though.

The time I tried a V.90 modem over a VoIP line, I don't remember what the negotiated rate even was.. because I didn't even notice it was a voip line.

Good luck getting a dial-up ISP that does not bill by the nanosecond these days, though.

Bruh no more dial up please

leileilol wrote on 2024-08-13, 15:04:

However, hardware modems never disappeared from the market, they just became more niche and were considered higher end. They actually exist to this day. Ironically, with component costs being low, single chip (or very low component ) hardware modems are probably cheaper than anything software based as they can be inplemented as a class compliant USB serial interface that uses OS bundled drivers, so no driver or custom software is required. AFAICR, I have a 20$ USB fax modem that works that way under Windows 10 and Linux. Maybe I should try it under Windows 98.

You can actually still get new US Robotics 56K serial modems, as they are still used to support a large number of old back end equipment out there. I used to work tech support for a small in size, but vast in territory telco a few years back and when I started they purchased brand new USR modems for the entire team to be used to connect to various switches that were only able to support modem and serial connections. They were black with red logos and although they were no longer branded as such, they were obviously sportster models.

YALL STILL TALKING ABOUT DIAL UP
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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-08-13, 18:14:

YALL STILL TALKING ABOUT DIAL UP NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO […]
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YALL STILL TALKING ABOUT DIAL UP
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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You started a thread on a subject matter of interest to you to try to determine how to best to reach a potential objective of yours. The subject was discussed, questions and answers were exchanged in both directions . Based on that, you made decision to pursue a different path.

IMHO, that does not mean the discussion you started needs to end then and there if there is still interest from participants other than you. If you are no longer interested in dial-up as an option, you can forget about this thread and discuss retro Ethernet networking in other existing relevant threads or create a new one, if you feel it is appropriate, again IMHO.

Sorry bro I'll go to another thread
You may continue discussing dial up in peace

I had dial up up through 2018 for $4.99 a month. Even had vintage copper telephone lines

This thread made me realise that despite my love of retro computers, I have absolutely NO nostalgia for dial up internet. What a source of pain that was back in the day - I’m glad we’ve left that behind…

Good luck with this, hope you get what you’re looking for.

Martli wrote on 2024-08-13, 19:46:

This thread made me realise that despite my love of retro computers, I have absolutely NO nostalgia for dial up internet. What a source of pain that was back in the day - I’m glad we’ve left that behind…

Good luck with this, hope you get what you’re looking for.

Thanks dude

Martli wrote on 2024-08-13, 19:46:

This thread made me realise that despite my love of retro computers, I have absolutely NO nostalgia for dial up internet. What a source of pain that was back in the day - I’m glad we’ve left that behind…

Same. I used to work for a company that still used dial-up into the early 2000s.

It was brutal whenever I needed to download something. Things that take seconds to download today, could take an hour or more in those days.

I donno I kind of miss modems.
Not for internet but for multiplayer games or a way to trasfer files to older laptops I can see a use for them (or null modem but that's not as cool)

This is the setup I'm thinking of doing. He's also linked a few other guides "down below" as they say
https://youtu.be/AEiYyMwW8gY?si=X35L4WIFs-TAj-iZ

Martli wrote on 2024-08-13, 19:46:

This thread made me realise that despite my love of retro computers, I have absolutely NO nostalgia for dial up internet. What a source of pain that was back in the day - I’m glad we’ve left that behind…

Dial-up other things was kinda cool - your friend's BBS with FidoNet, dialing into library catalogues, etc.

But... yes... the modern way of doing these things is kinda wonderful. Packet switching can be wonderful. And that reminds me - despite using the Internet in some way for close to 30 years, I think my dad still has not figured out the basics of a packet switched network...

Martli wrote on 2024-08-13, 19:46:

This thread made me realise that despite my love of retro computers, I have absolutely NO nostalgia for dial up internet. What a source of pain that was back in the day - I’m glad we’ve left that behind…

Good luck with this, hope you get what you’re looking for.

I'm nostalgic for the dial-up handshaking sounds. It felt like something super high tech was going on.

I don't think that my modern internet experience has been great. I live in an apartment with terrible wifi interference. I've also have had to deal with really annoying things like DNS problems. Not saying that dial-up was better, but I can't wait until I have something that is stable and just works.

chinny22 wrote on 2024-08-14, 00:53:

I donno I kind of miss modems.
Not for internet but for multiplayer games or a way to trasfer files to older laptops I can see a use for them (or null modem but that's not as cool)

Same, early modem usage was fun for dial-up games, BBSs, etc.

I acquired a couple phone line simulators that at some point I intend to use to connect computers via modems and/or build my own in-home BBS server.

That said, I was trying to set up a modem in Terminate and I think it's one of the most arcane things I've tried doing recently. How did we ever figure this stuff out as teenagers? 😅

For me it was the constant battle with mum over use of the phone line and the big bills I racked up when the ISP still charged you per hour! I never did manage to convince my parents to get that second line…

My first modem was a 20$ 2400bps modem that I convinced my parents to get me at a liquidation sale of some kind in 1992 or 1993.
I had a fascination with dial-up modems for a time. It served me well in my ISP tech support days.

If only I could turn back time.

Shponglefan wrote on 2024-08-14, 02:22:

Same, early modem usage was fun for dial-up games, BBSs, etc. […]
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chinny22 wrote on 2024-08-14, 00:53:

I donno I kind of miss modems.
Not for internet but for multiplayer games or a way to trasfer files to older laptops I can see a use for them (or null modem but that's not as cool)

Same, early modem usage was fun for dial-up games, BBSs, etc.

I acquired a couple phone line simulators that at some point I intend to use to connect computers via modems and/or build my own in-home BBS server.

That said, I was trying to set up a modem in Terminate and I think it's one of the most arcane things I've tried doing recently. How did we ever figure this stuff out as teenagers? 😅

OI THERE what's a phone line simulator?

Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-08-14, 20:34:

OI THERE what's a phone line simulator?

It's a device where you can connect things like phones, modems, faxes, to each other as though they were connected via a real telephone line.

So how would it function if you plugged in a dial up modem? What do you connect the phone line simulator to?