Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 05:06:

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record f […]
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gex85 wrote on 2021-02-11, 20:46:

Arctic wrote on 2021-02-11, 07:09:

I dont know where else to post this, I am not gonna bid on this, what do you guys think?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-GDM-FW900-CRT-M … or/164685875289

Sooooo, yeah. Looks like this thing just sold for 35k $.

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record for the highest price I've seen a PC-related item sell for since I started paying attention to this stuff.

I bet a YouTuber bought it. Linus will have a video about it in a few weeks...

Anyway, I just bought a pretty nifty looking item. I'm really hoping the BIOS is PC compatible, but it is definitely the craziest ISA video card I've ever seen.

falcon64_tiga.jpg

It is a Salient Systems AT3000. It has a Sierra Daytona 64 (only ever seen on PCI cards), coupled with a 175Mhz Ti DAC... and a TMS34020APCM (marked 340x) TIGA processor, on an ISA card with two video outputs.

The only mention I can find of the card is a single line in a .doc file here: http://bigbro.biophys.cornell.edu/internal_in … are_Catalog.doc

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1Salient Systems Corporation			AT3000 TIGA drivers v2.20.2.30 (8/9/96)

Seller says it came from an ADE CR8X system, which Google tells me is a "Wafer Inspection System" from 2002! (Not text searchable, but it is mentioned near the bottom of the 13th page of the PDF).

Anyway... I have no idea what to expect with this, but all of that added up to a "must buy" oddity. I'm hoping that at the very least the Daytona64 is usable, as that is a very late VGA chip for an ISA card. 😀

There are some pics / BIOS dumps? on bitsavers

http://ww.bitsavers.org/pdf/salient/at3000/

A search for AT3000 + Salient links to a number of science / research articles, some of which mention it's use in PC-based systems

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:23:

There are some pics / BIOS dumps? on bitsavers […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 05:06:

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record f […]
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gex85 wrote on 2021-02-11, 20:46:

Sooooo, yeah. Looks like this thing just sold for 35k $.

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record for the highest price I've seen a PC-related item sell for since I started paying attention to this stuff.

I bet a YouTuber bought it. Linus will have a video about it in a few weeks...

Anyway, I just bought a pretty nifty looking item. I'm really hoping the BIOS is PC compatible, but it is definitely the craziest ISA video card I've ever seen.

falcon64_tiga.jpg

It is a Salient Systems AT3000. It has a Sierra Falcon 64 (only ever seen on PCI cards), coupled with a 175Mhz Ti DAC... and a TMS34020APCM (marked 340x) TIGA processor, on an ISA card with two video outputs.

The only mention I can find of the card is a single line in a .doc file here: http://bigbro.biophys.cornell.edu/internal_in … are_Catalog.doc

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1Salient Systems Corporation			AT3000 TIGA drivers v2.20.2.30 (8/9/96)

Seller says it came from an ADE CR8X system, which Google tells me is a "Wafer Inspection System" from 2002! (Not text searchable, but it is mentioned near the bottom of the 13th page of the PDF).

Anyway... I have no idea what to expect with this, but all of that added up to a "must buy" oddity. I'm hoping that at the very least the Falcon64 is usable, as that is a very late VGA chip for an ISA card. 😀

There are some pics / BIOS dumps? on bitsavers

http://ww.bitsavers.org/pdf/salient/at3000/

A search for AT3000 + Salient links to a number of science / research articles, some of which mention it's use in PC-based systems

Awesome news! Thank you! Hopefully some drivers show up. It was listed as "Open Box" and described as a "spare" but I have no idea if it comes with software. If it does, you can bet I'll be posting them here. 😀

EDIT: Those pictures are amazingly clear! Looks like it has 4MB of VRAM for the TIGA and 1MB of FPM for the Falcon 64. Both look to have room for more memory... though there's probably little practical use for an ISA card with 2MB of VRAM and a 10MB TIGA.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 05:06:

gex85 wrote on 2021-02-11, 20:46:

Arctic wrote on 2021-02-11, 07:09:

I dont know where else to post this, I am not gonna bid on this, what do you guys think?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-GDM-FW900-CRT-M … or/164685875289

Sooooo, yeah. Looks like this thing just sold for 35k $.

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record for the highest price I've seen a PC-related item sell for since I started paying attention to this stuff.

That's really too high, looks like troll(s) shilling the auction. It's private listing too so you can't see feedback number of each person = easier to troll. It isn't worth nearly that much, you would be lucky to sell it for ~$2000. Perhaps a little over that to someone with a large disposable income. I find it hard to believe there would be more than 1 person interested in this who has a large disposable income at the same time and a huge bidding war ensued. It will probably get relisted and enjoy the fruits of all that free advertising we are giving them with buzz posts like these.

duga3 wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:48:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 05:06:

gex85 wrote on 2021-02-11, 20:46:

Sooooo, yeah. Looks like this thing just sold for 35k $.

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record for the highest price I've seen a PC-related item sell for since I started paying attention to this stuff.

That's really too high, looks like troll(s) shilling the auction. It's private listing too so you can't see feedback number of each person = easier to troll. It isn't worth nearly that much, you would be lucky to sell it for ~$2000. Perhaps a little over that to someone with a large disposable income. I find it hard to believe there would be more than 1 person interested in this who has a large disposable income at the same time and a huge bidding war ensued. It will probably get relisted and enjoy the fruits of all that free advertising we are giving them with buzz posts like these.

Yeah, I won't be surprised if it is relisted soon.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:35:

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:23:

There are some pics / BIOS dumps? on bitsavers […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 05:06:

Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record f […]
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Yikes! That's truly insane. You have to have so much disposable income to spend $35,000 on a CRT. I think that sets the record for the highest price I've seen a PC-related item sell for since I started paying attention to this stuff.

I bet a YouTuber bought it. Linus will have a video about it in a few weeks...

Anyway, I just bought a pretty nifty looking item. I'm really hoping the BIOS is PC compatible, but it is definitely the craziest ISA video card I've ever seen.

falcon64_tiga.jpg

It is a Salient Systems AT3000. It has a Sierra Daytona 64 (only ever seen on PCI cards), coupled with a 175Mhz Ti DAC... and a TMS34020APCM (marked 340x) TIGA processor, on an ISA card with two video outputs.

The only mention I can find of the card is a single line in a .doc file here: http://bigbro.biophys.cornell.edu/internal_in … are_Catalog.doc

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1Salient Systems Corporation			AT3000 TIGA drivers v2.20.2.30 (8/9/96)

Seller says it came from an ADE CR8X system, which Google tells me is a "Wafer Inspection System" from 2002! (Not text searchable, but it is mentioned near the bottom of the 13th page of the PDF).

Anyway... I have no idea what to expect with this, but all of that added up to a "must buy" oddity. I'm hoping that at the very least the Daytona64 is usable, as that is a very late VGA chip for an ISA card. 😀

There are some pics / BIOS dumps? on bitsavers

http://ww.bitsavers.org/pdf/salient/at3000/

A search for AT3000 + Salient links to a number of science / research articles, some of which mention it's use in PC-based systems

Awesome news! Thank you! Hopefully some drivers show up. It was listed as "Open Box" and described as a "spare" but I have no idea if it comes with software. If it does, you can bet I'll be posting them here. 😀

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead

https://web.archive.org/web/20000609114056/ht … 80/at3000d.html

They mention drivers, but can't find any trace 🙁

https://web.archive.org/web/19980624150340/ht … com/driver.html

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:57:

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:35:

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:23:

There are some pics / BIOS dumps? on bitsavers

http://ww.bitsavers.org/pdf/salient/at3000/

A search for AT3000 + Salient links to a number of science / research articles, some of which mention it's use in PC-based systems

Awesome news! Thank you! Hopefully some drivers show up. It was listed as "Open Box" and described as a "spare" but I have no idea if it comes with software. If it does, you can bet I'll be posting them here. 😀

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead

https://web.archive.org/web/20000609114056/ht … 80/at3000d.html

They mention drivers, but can't find any trace 🙁

https://web.archive.org/web/19980624150340/ht … com/driver.html

I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, and unless there is some issue with the implementation on this card, the performance is probably among the best on ISA, simply because it's a much newer chip.

I've tried a few of the usual sites\archives looking for files or directories including at3000 but haven't come up with anything.

I think we could use a thread for old driver archives\repositories here.

EDIT: Found a post from 2007 referring to a usenet post from 1995 that mentions the card...
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/07/01/09/2011 … ll-on-pc-gaming
Salient says it can take 10MB. 😁

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:07:

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:57:

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:35:

Awesome news! Thank you! Hopefully some drivers show up. It was listed as "Open Box" and described as a "spare" but I have no idea if it comes with software. If it does, you can bet I'll be posting them here. 😀

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead

https://web.archive.org/web/20000609114056/ht … 80/at3000d.html

They mention drivers, but can't find any trace 🙁

https://web.archive.org/web/19980624150340/ht … com/driver.html

I've tried a few of the usual sites\archives looking for files or directories including at3000 but haven't come up with anything.

I think we could use a thread for old driver archives\repositories here.

Given your post count you have probably seen this but maybe not everyone else:

VOGONS Driver Library => VOGONS Driver Library

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:07:

I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:57:

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead […]
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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:35:

Awesome news! Thank you! Hopefully some drivers show up. It was listed as "Open Box" and described as a "spare" but I have no idea if it comes with software. If it does, you can bet I'll be posting them here. 😀

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead

https://web.archive.org/web/20000609114056/ht … 80/at3000d.html

They mention drivers, but can't find any trace 🙁

https://web.archive.org/web/19980624150340/ht … com/driver.html

I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, and unless there is some issue with the implementation on this card, the performance is probably among the best on ISA, simply because it's a much newer chip.

I've tried a few of the usual sites\archives looking for files or directories including at3000 but haven't come up with anything.

I think we could use a thread for old driver archives\repositories here.

EDIT: Found a post from 2007 referring to a usenet post from 1995 that mentions the card...
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/07/01/09/2011 … ll-on-pc-gaming
Salient says it can take 10MB. 😁

Hope you didn't pay full price 😀 😀 😀

https://web.archive.org/web/19990922031537/ht … m:80/price.html

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:21:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:07:

I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 06:57:

Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead […]
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Yours appears to be the AT3000 Rev D (Sierra Falcon 64 on-board VGA) whereas the previous versions used the CL-5429 instead

https://web.archive.org/web/20000609114056/ht … 80/at3000d.html

They mention drivers, but can't find any trace 🙁

https://web.archive.org/web/19980624150340/ht … com/driver.html

I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, and unless there is some issue with the implementation on this card, the performance is probably among the best on ISA, simply because it's a much newer chip.

I've tried a few of the usual sites\archives looking for files or directories including at3000 but haven't come up with anything.

I think we could use a thread for old driver archives\repositories here.

EDIT: Found a post from 2007 referring to a usenet post from 1995 that mentions the card...
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/07/01/09/2011 … ll-on-pc-gaming
Salient says it can take 10MB. 😁

Hope you didn't pay full price 😀 😀 😀

https://web.archive.org/web/19990922031537/ht … m:80/price.html

Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. 🤣

duga3 wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:10:

Given your post count you have probably seen this but maybe not everyone else:

VOGONS Driver Library => VOGONS Driver Library

Of course, VOGONs is a wonderful source of drivers. Most of those will come up in searches though. I mean the weird little dark corners of the internet that house large driver archives. Like these:

https://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/Archive/index.html
ftp://ftp.aztech.com/SUPPORT/DOWNLOAD/

There are others, I've just lost track of them over the years.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:25:

Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. :lol: […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:21:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:07:

I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, […]
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I'm hopeful that the Falcon 64 makes this a fairly decent card. Compatibility for that chip seems decent based on what I found, and unless there is some issue with the implementation on this card, the performance is probably among the best on ISA, simply because it's a much newer chip.

I've tried a few of the usual sites\archives looking for files or directories including at3000 but haven't come up with anything.

I think we could use a thread for old driver archives\repositories here.

EDIT: Found a post from 2007 referring to a usenet post from 1995 that mentions the card...
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/07/01/09/2011 … ll-on-pc-gaming
Salient says it can take 10MB. 😁

Hope you didn't pay full price 😀 😀 😀

https://web.archive.org/web/19990922031537/ht … m:80/price.html

Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. 🤣

duga3 wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:10:

Given your post count you have probably seen this but maybe not everyone else:

VOGONS Driver Library => VOGONS Driver Library

Of course, VOGONs is a wonderful source of drivers. Most of those will come up in searches though. I mean the weird little dark corners of the internet that house large driver archives. Like these:

https://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/Archive/index.html
ftp://ftp.aztech.com/SUPPORT/DOWNLOAD/

There are others, I've just lost track of them over the years.

Thanks for the extra links, very nice! Hopefully somebody will dump all that to archive.org eventually. Nice sites/FTPs like that come and go...

brostenen wrote on 2021-02-11, 23:06:

[...] Personally I suspect that it needs a deep clean and a recap.

great catch!
a recap is needed - can't stress it enough.
All A1200/A600/A4000/CD32 have long reached a point where the caps used have either leaked or will leak.
Even if it seems OK it is only a matter of time before acid starts corroding things...

duga3 wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:32:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:25:

Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. :lol: […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:21:

Hope you didn't pay full price 😀 😀 😀

https://web.archive.org/web/19990922031537/ht … m:80/price.html

Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. 🤣

duga3 wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:10:

Given your post count you have probably seen this but maybe not everyone else:

VOGONS Driver Library => VOGONS Driver Library

Of course, VOGONs is a wonderful source of drivers. Most of those will come up in searches though. I mean the weird little dark corners of the internet that house large driver archives. Like these:

https://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/Archive/index.html
ftp://ftp.aztech.com/SUPPORT/DOWNLOAD/

There are others, I've just lost track of them over the years.

Thanks for the extra links, very nice! Hopefully somebody will dump all that to archive.org eventually. Nice sites/FTPs like that come and go...

Here's another good one, though it's incredibly slow and very disorganized.
ftp://ftp.dyu.edu.tw/pub/
For example, there's tons of stuff listed under Hardware/vendor/Diamond which has nothing to do with Diamond. I don't think there's anything at3000 related there, but I honestly don't know. Is there an easy way to search an FTP? I haven't worked with them much.

keropi wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:36:

great catch! a recap is needed - can't stress it enough. All A1200/A600/A4000/CD32 have long reached a point where the caps use […]
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brostenen wrote on 2021-02-11, 23:06:

[...] Personally I suspect that it needs a deep clean and a recap.

great catch!
a recap is needed - can't stress it enough.
All A1200/A600/A4000/CD32 have long reached a point where the caps used have either leaked or will leak.
Even if it seems OK it is only a matter of time before acid starts corroding things...

True that. The best way to determine if recap is in dire need, are when the A1200 or A600 begins to smell of fish, after powering on for 20 minutes.

And yup. It is a great catch. The seller call it a gentlemans deal. So I need to owe up to my word of being a gentleman. Perhaps I will need to sell some of my old stuff a bit cheaper than market price, just to get money in, to cover this 1200.

Do you know what a boxed Buslogic VLB SCSI controller is worth by the way?

Quite right. And that particular eBay listing seems to have scratches. 🙁

Yep, I've heard the rumors, but my plan is to pair it with some strong PSU like Thermaltake Toughpower or smth.
Actually I've bought this motherboard for the second time. The first was in 2007, but I've run out of money and didn't finished my build as planned. Now I got plenty of money and I'll finish it with some nice nVidia SLI setup.

Vynix wrote on 2021-02-11, 22:59:

winuser_pl wrote on 2021-02-11, 21:46:

I've bought this ASUS M2N Sli Deluxe. It came with AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+ and 4 sticks of 1GB DDR-2 PC2-6400.
Paid $12.
The motherboard is a bit dusty, but I'll take care of that. The nice touch is that it has I/O shield.

I have the same board, beware that it can be a bit fussy sometimes, mine would often complain about a "USB overload" thing, probably my PSU that doesn't put enough juice on the 5V rail or something else - I don't really know what went down as I had nothing plugged into the USB ports.

Otherwise it's a nice board, I bought mine to replace a M2N-MX with bad caps.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:53:

Here's another good one, though it's incredibly slow and very disorganized. ftp://ftp.dyu.edu.tw/pub/ For example, there's tons […]
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duga3 wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:32:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2021-02-12, 07:25:

Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. :lol: […]
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Ouch. No... thankfully, it was much cheaper than that. 🤣

Of course, VOGONs is a wonderful source of drivers. Most of those will come up in searches though. I mean the weird little dark corners of the internet that house large driver archives. Like these:

https://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/Archive/index.html
ftp://ftp.aztech.com/SUPPORT/DOWNLOAD/

There are others, I've just lost track of them over the years.

Thanks for the extra links, very nice! Hopefully somebody will dump all that to archive.org eventually. Nice sites/FTPs like that come and go...

Here's another good one, though it's incredibly slow and very disorganized.
ftp://ftp.dyu.edu.tw/pub/
For example, there's tons of stuff listed under Hardware/vendor/Diamond which has nothing to do with Diamond. I don't think there's anything at3000 related there, but I honestly don't know. Is there an easy way to search an FTP? I haven't worked with them much.

You could first try wget with the -r -l options and then take it from there: https://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/html … al-Options.html

brostenen wrote on 2021-02-11, 23:06:

I might have gotten the deal of the year. An Amiga1200 for the price of shipping and what I then want to pay once I recieve it. The thing is, that it is in unknown condition. I will post some images, once it have arrived by mail in the next week. The only thing I know about it so far, is that it is physically intact. Personally I suspect that it needs a deep clean and a recap.

Nice. Even if it isn't working and you didn't or couldn't repair it, you'd easily be able to recoup the money by selling it on for parts.

If they're selling it like that, then it's probably as you said - not working and needing recapping. But good luck, if it's working it's an absolute steal!

If it comes with the original PSU, make sure you test that first as you are no doubt very well aware how bad Commodore power supplies can be.

PTherapist wrote on 2021-02-12, 10:53:

Nice. Even if it isn't working and you didn't or couldn't repair it, you'd easily be able to recoup the money by selling it on […]
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brostenen wrote on 2021-02-11, 23:06:

I might have gotten the deal of the year. An Amiga1200 for the price of shipping and what I then want to pay once I recieve it. The thing is, that it is in unknown condition. I will post some images, once it have arrived by mail in the next week. The only thing I know about it so far, is that it is physically intact. Personally I suspect that it needs a deep clean and a recap.

Nice. Even if it isn't working and you didn't or couldn't repair it, you'd easily be able to recoup the money by selling it on for parts.

If they're selling it like that, then it's probably as you said - not working and needing recapping. But good luck, if it's working it's an absolute steal!

If it comes with the original PSU, make sure you test that first as you are no doubt very well aware how bad Commodore power supplies can be.

Thanks. Well. Yeah..... I am going to put some money into this machine, in order to have it up and running. I can not do any SMD soldering, so it will be
shipped to a person that I have been recommended for recapping. He is on Amibay, and his work seems good and solid.

Else I suspect it needs a new membrane, and the case might need to be swapped with one of them new ones, that they created new molds for making.
My plan is to have it upgraded with as much memory as I can put into it, and then a scandoubler for future proofing it in regards to monitors.
Scandoublers were extremely hard to get a hold on, back in 2006 when I had to let my old 1200 go. It was a nice machine with 030-50 and PCMCIA SCSI.

Today it is quite easy to get parts for any type of vintage computer, compared to back then, as it can be purchased online.
That is perhaps the best thing about the current pandemic. Namely that it have become really easy to buy all sort of things online now.
Like carpets, kitchen machines, and everything else. That is perhaps the best thing that have come out of all this.

Just won this on eBay for 99p. Mac Pro "Quad core" 2.66GHz (Dual Xeon 5150) CPU with what appears to be a 4GB upgrade, and the original Nvidia 7300GT video card. No hard drives but that's soon fixed. The brackets were included. No idea if it works but I assume it does. Now how to work out how to install an OS on it...

imi wrote on 2021-02-11, 15:44:

NMC are relabeled Epox boards, essentially an Epox MVP3

Luckily, yes.