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First post, by laios67

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Recently came this to my hands along with some other stuff

https://www.prolink-usa.com/english/product/vga-mx200-32-64a.html

I suppose that its use is for a system like a Pentium 3 without AGP like some servers and such.
I wonder if I can use it with something much older like pentium mmx or it is a too much

Pentium III 1ghz Coppermine 750mb SBLive! Voodoo 3 3000 AGP
Compaq Deskpro Pentium III 933 EN 500mb Geforce4MX 440 AGP
Pentium 4 1.8ghz Northwood 500mb Voodoo 3 3500 AGP
Pentium 4 1.7 ghz Northwood 1gb Voodoo3 3000 AGP

Reply 1 of 5, by badmojo

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I use a PCI Geforce 4 MX440 in my K62+ Socket 7 machine and it rocks - it's a great DOS VGA / SVGA card (basically the same as a Riva 128 in that regard) and handles 3D duties in Win98 really nicely. So yes that MX200 would be great in a Pentium era machine too.

The only issue with the newer Nvidia cards (that I'm aware of) is that they dropped one of the VESA 3.0 features at some point that allows you to change the refresh rate in DOS in SVGA mode. But that can be solved these days by using this fantastic patch: NVPatch - making UniVBE work on NVidia cards + Univbe.

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Reply 2 of 5, by douglar

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The "MX200" and "MX400" flavors were passable cards for a minute, especially if they had DDR. The "MX" boards w/o the "200" had lower frequencies & narrow memory paths and were noticeably inferior, especially if they had SDR. Theygave the MX family a bad name. Most Geforce2 MX cards were budget devices intended for OEM system builders that wanted to keep their costs down. However the MX family was big, the cards tended to last, and my recollection was that the image quality was usually better than previous generation of budget cards like the Vanta 64. But it was a big family, so it depends on the specific card I suppose.

An MX 200 would certainly be very serviceable in a Celeron 440LX board and would be fine in most AGP2x motherboards too, performing at least as well as the Voodoo & TNT2 AGP options that were the available options when those boards were new. Once you get to a motherboard with AGP4x, I'd look at video options that can support DirectX8 or 9. DirectX >7 games often look bad when scaled back to DirectX7 and there's lots of options from later generations that perform better for little money.

I think an MX200 card would still give a nice boost for an older motherboard with a 430?x chipset. I don't think it is necessarily overkill if paired with a P233MMX. It wasn't uncommon to see a newer video card upgrade in an older system. But when you go back to the < 166 Pentium systems, it starts to get more questionable, and going back farther, I suspect that your Geforce MX200 PCI board would be too new to work in a 486 PCI motherboard, and would be a waste of potential if it did.

Reply 3 of 5, by Gennadios

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Question for OP, do you know for sure the card will work on a board without an AGP slot?

Nvdia cards from that era are notorious for using AGP to PCI bridge chips and not working on motherboards that don't have AGP. I've burned alot of money money looking for a DX 8/9 capable card of that era that works; only card I found that I can vouch for is a Palidaytona GF4MX440 (purple PCB). I have piles of GF2/GF4 MXes that don't work in PCI and I'm not even sure if my MX440 is a rule or an exception. Jton GF4 MX4000 too, but that card has such late drivers that performance is absolutely terrible.

Reply 4 of 5, by konc

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Gennadios wrote on 2024-06-18, 15:40:

Nvdia cards from that era are notorious for using AGP to PCI bridge chips and not working on motherboards that don't have AGP.

AGP slot is one thing, AGP chipset is another. There were many AGP-capable motherboards that could have had a slot as well but didn't, for example desktop PCs with a riser well into the PII and PIII era. This is the intended target of most of these cards, not older platforms.

Reply 5 of 5, by douglar

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konc wrote on 2024-06-18, 16:19:

AGP slot is one thing, AGP chipset is another. There were many AGP-capable motherboards that could have had a slot as well but didn't, for example desktop PCs with a riser well into the PII and PIII era. This is the intended target of most of these cards, not older platforms.

Dell sure made a lot of those in the later P4 period, and that VGA card was probably still being sold, so that checks out. But Pentium 200MMX systems were still around in 2001 when the Geforce 2 MX 200 came out and those systems would likely benefit from the Geforce MX 200 if you were playing early open GL games.

On the flip side, if I had a PCI Pentium 4 today, I'd look for a capable direct X 9 card instead of a GeforceMX 200 card. There is Direct X 7 mode in Halflife 2 and it's one of the best looking direct X 7 games ever made but it was significantly worse than direct X 9. Check out the image quality here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1549/9

Lots of Geforce MX info in this thread:
Geforce 2 MX vs MX200 vs MX400