Easier to use the template in my sig

It also adds tcpip and should work on real hardware.

Sorry for raining on your parade 😒

myne wrote on 2024-10-08, 08:29:

Easier to use the template in my sig

It also adds tcpip and should work on real hardware.

Sorry for raining on your parade 😒

Well, I already experienced a lot of issues trying to use VMWARE templates on real hardware, so I finally found this way to install it step by step on real hardware. I think It will help people sharing it.

Also, the proccess of installing a retro OS in a retro system is a funny and interesting thing when doing it on real hardware.

You tried my iso?
What errors occurred?

Only windows that needs to install from floppy drive is 1.xx.

Versions 2.xx and 3.xx all can be copied to just to one directory in hard drive or cd and install from there. And DOS come on. Like nobody can not use the SYS command. 😂

Cyberdyne wrote on 2024-10-08, 09:44:

Only windows that needs to install from floppy drive is 1.xx.

Versions 2.xx and 3.xx all can be copied to just to one directory in hard drive or cd and install from there. And DOS come on. Like nobody can not use the SYS command. 😂

This guide is for DOS, Win is just an optional step I added because it's also useful to have it in the same CD, at least for me.

Installing DOS without floppy disks was impossible for me until I found this trick. I even openned a post here asking for help and no one posted a working solution for my real hardware.

If this guide can help anyone, even one single person, I'll be happy.

This did not work for me. When I select the bootable floppy image in Step 2, the CD boots to that image instead of the full setup files that I copied onto the CD. It's like it overwrites my files and folders with the Disk1.img contents instead of just extracting the boot sectors. Any suggestions?

davidinark wrote on 2024-11-21, 01:27:

This did not work for me. When I select the bootable floppy image in Step 2, the CD boots to that image instead of the full setup files that I copied onto the CD. It's like it overwrites my files and folders with the Disk1.img contents instead of just extracting the boot sectors. Any suggestions?

Hi there! Both MS-DOS 6.22 and WfW 3.11 did exist as CD-ROM release way back in the 90s.
It was an OEM version in both cases, though. So it was semi-official, at best.

Here's a picture of my WfW CD: Re: Installation of DOS 6.22 from cd-rom disk

Here's a picture of an MS-DOS 6.22 CD: https://www.forum64.de/index.php?thread/13461 … eine-anleitung/

Here's an ATAPI CD-ROM driver with an installer that looks like Setup of Windows 3/MS-DOS 5 and 6: Re: Get CD-ROM running under MS-DOS

Btw, the Pro AudioSpectrum 16 soundcard has a setup/config program that viusually looks like Windows 3 setup, as well. 🙂

PS: It's also possible to boot off MS-DOS 7.x and then use MS-DOS 6.22 SYS command from MS-DOS 6.22 medium.
However, you have to make sure DOSVER utility (freeware) is set to MS-DOS 6.22 first (has to be run twice).
That's because SYS v6.22 has a version check and needs to have access to the MS-DOS 6.22 system files.

It's a bit annoying, but it works. I've made a video about this process a few years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJtP9droLo

PS: The mysterious "Disk 4" (supplemental disk) was just a free giveaway by Microsoft on its BBS/FTP.
That's why its programs are all in English! No vendor bothered to overwrite with localized files! 🙁
If you want to have the programs in your native language, have a look at MS-DOS 6.0!
To my understanding, you can just install MS-DOS 6.0 first and then 6.2x afterwards and have all files of MS-DOS 6! 🙂

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davidinark wrote on 2024-11-21, 01:27:

This did not work for me. When I select the bootable floppy image in Step 2, the CD boots to that image instead of the full setup files that I copied onto the CD. It's like it overwrites my files and folders with the Disk1.img contents instead of just extracting the boot sectors.

Are you sure you did use the correct images?
That "bootable floppy image" likely isn't meant to be same as the first MS-DOS 6.22 diskette.
(I assume it's correct behavior that it boots to the selected diskette image, though. Extracting DOS boot sector alone makes little sense, because DOS code can't boot off ISO-9660.)
It's rather a custom MS-DOS boot disk from the internet that has an ATAPI/IDE CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX loaded.
To my understanding the tutorial is about creating an El-Torito bootable CD-ROM.
It contains a virtual 1,44 MB floppy section and an normal ISO-9660 section.
After the DOS is booted from virtual floppy, you can switch over to CD-ROM drive letter and run MS-DOS 6.22 setup and WfW setup.
That's at least how I do understand so far. 😅

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davidinark wrote on 2024-11-21, 01:27:

This did not work for me. When I select the bootable floppy image in Step 2, the CD boots to that image instead of the full setup files that I copied onto the CD. It's like it overwrites my files and folders with the Disk1.img contents instead of just extracting the boot sectors. Any suggestions?

You don't need "setup files" or an installer for DOS --- as long as you have a bootable DOS disk (could be CD) with FDISK
and FORMAT on it, use FDISK to create a hard drive partition and then FORMAT/S to format it with a bootable system.

That will give you a bootable DOS but you won't be able to do much with it. You will also want to copy on the system files and commands
that you will want to use .. Couple of possibilities:

Put everything you use on the CD ... with drivers to mount and access it. This might take a few tries to "get right", but once you have
it working, you can copy everything from that CD to the hard drive.

Another option, put my DDLINK.COM on the boot floppy image ... As it's only about 17k it should fit easily into a floppy image.
DDLINK can do transfers over Serial, Parallel or Network (network requires a crynwr packet driver) and you can use it to copy
single files or whole directories from another DOS system (or DosBox running somewhere else) - so you can easily put on stuff
you might not have thought of when you made the CD. (DDLINK is free from my site)

Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal

As I mostly use CF cards in DOS machines, I just use USB to CF adapter, passthrough it to a VMWare Workstation driveless VM, mount floppy images and do a fresh install or do bootable format.
Then, remove CF card and put it in a target PC.

davidinark wrote on 2024-11-21, 01:27:

This did not work for me. When I select the bootable floppy image in Step 2, the CD boots to that image instead of the full setup files that I copied onto the CD. It's like it overwrites my files and folders with the Disk1.img contents instead of just extracting the boot sectors. Any suggestions?

Try the link in my sig

Paul_V wrote on 2024-11-21, 07:39:

As I mostly use CF cards in DOS machines, I just use USB to CF adapter, passthrough it to a VMWare Workstation driveless VM, mount floppy images and do a fresh install or do bootable format.
Then, remove CF card and put it in a target PC.

Isn't that kind of assuming the target system has a CF card slot (and mapped in a bootable way)
IIRC CF is basically the same as IDE - so presumably it could be made to work if you had a CF to IDE adapter,
but again that's kinda assuming the target system supports IDE.

Perhaps with a USB<->IDE or USB<->SATA adapter (whichever is appropriate)

Assuming you can get *something* to boot with DOS on it that you don't want to use as your main drive
(perhaps a CF card), you could put that in as drive0 and the drive you want to use as drive1
- boot drive0, FDISK + FORMAT/S drive1, then swap

Also, assuming your mainboard does have a floppy connector, and the problem is that you don't have a
floppy drive (not even one you can borrow from another system) - there are hardware floppy drive emulators
available.

Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal