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First post, by steakguy120

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Found a Free Gateway 2000 PC tower recently, a 4DX-33V, in pretty good condition barring some 30 year old coffee on the front.

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Admire the size of this thing.

To say it has presence when next to any of my various other PCs is a bit of an understatement, I mean it's nearly at tall as my leg, in that vein the entire thing is tall enough and likely sturdy enough to be used as a seat, as soon as I saw it in person I immediately understood why my primary PC's already sizable case is only referred to as a 'mid tower' and carrying it is a real pain as a result of both the size and the plastic rim around the bottom, it feels like I'm carrying a medium sized dog whenever I have to move it; from the outside there's not any noticeable rust or damaged ports, and the plastic has hardly yellowed, and while the unit wasn't exactly clean when I got it, with the last person to use it seemingly having a habit of leaving their coffee on top of it, which inevitably seems to have resulted in it being covered in by now 30 year old coffee down the entire front panel when I initially got it, though wiping it off was barely a challenge, with seemingly no lasting damage or staining.

On the front there's an assortment of drives, included a 3.5 inch floppy drive, a 5.25 floppy drive, a CD ROM, as well as three unused front bays to boot, and on the back I noticed there was a modem, video card, sound card, and set of what I guess are Parallel ports and a serial port taking up a few blanks on the back, the model number for this unit is "TOWER" in all caps which I find quite fitting.

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After getting it open

Once I got the case cover off, there was a fine coating of dust on everything, but a light brushing and some vacuuming later soon rectified that, not even the power supply was particularly dusty when I took the chance to dust it while everything was completely flat, as for the the included expansion cards were a Trident video card which makes use of the Vesa local Bus, a Creative Sound Blaster, and a AT&T Modem, there's also about 8 megabytes of ram across two modules; the original hard drive was included, being a Western Digital Caviar 2200 with a whopping 212.6 Megabytes of storage which was found in the bottom most 5.25 drive bay with a steel 3.5" to 5.25" mounting bracket, though unfortunately it seems to be dead as when trying to boot the system throws a "hard drive controller error" with this drive specifically, otherwise everything else at least has some signs of life during the the POST, the CD ROM even had an encyclopedia CD in it from the previous owner.

All round this is a pretty awesome find as I've been thinking about getting a system of this era for a while now, and the only thing stopping me from doing anything more than look it at the moment is the lack of a boot disc, which I am still trying to figure out, if anyone has any advice or wisdom for a system like this, that'd be greatly appreciated, as for now, it's mainly just sitting in my workspace at the moment ready to use.

Reply 1 of 12, by fosterwj03

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Beauty! The first one I ever saw was in the Gateway 2000 outlet store next to their factory in South Dakota, although the models they had in stock at the time (1993) all had Pentium processors. They were glorious beasts to behold, though.

Reply 2 of 12, by RetroPCCupboard

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What a lovely find. Congratulations

Reply 3 of 12, by maxtherabbit

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beautiful system, but despite its overall size the motherboard is puny compared to my 4DX2-66E :p

Reply 4 of 12, by fosterwj03

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I wonder if your model dates back to 1992 or very early 1993.

Reply 5 of 12, by steakguy120

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maxtherabbit wrote on 2025-06-05, 12:51:

beautiful system, but despite its overall size the motherboard is puny compared to my 4DX2-66E :p

Oh yeah, despite the size of the case, the fact that it's using a baby AT motherboard is really funny to me, it's barely taking up even a third of the internal space of the case as a result!

Reply 6 of 12, by steakguy120

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fosterwj03 wrote on 2025-06-05, 13:34:

I wonder if your model dates back to 1992 or very early 1993.

It appears to have been manufactured mid 1993

here's the back panel data sheet for reference

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Reply 7 of 12, by old school gamer man

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wow that's probably as clean as they come. as for the hdd perhaps the controller needs it programmed in, you know the heads, cylinders and sectors counts. I know a lot of old hdds and controllers don't auto detect that stuff

Reply 8 of 12, by Major Jackyl

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Nice find, that thing is pretty clean.

I would hope you have another (retro) computer, yes? Make a Windows 98 boot disk, those things are great!

How to do that:(for reference)

Option 1:
In Windows 98 Control Panel, open add/remove programs
There will be a tab for making boot disk in there
You will need your Windows 98 CD

Option 2 (expert):
Format a floppy and check "copy system files"
Goto x:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ and grab whatever you think you will need (fdisk, format, edit, etc.)
Put it with the COMMAND.COM that FORMAT put on the floppy
Make a new file: CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT (or copy them from x:\)
Edit those to make a disk to your liking. It will boot with just the COMMAND.COM

I'd also recommend getting DOS install disk images and "burning" them to floppy, you might need those eventually.

Of course, if you have no floppies, disregard my advise, 🤣

old school gamer man wrote on 2025-06-05, 21:36:

wow that's probably as clean as they come. as for the hdd perhaps the controller needs it programmed in, you know the heads, cylinders and sectors counts. I know a lot of old hdds and controllers don't auto detect that stuff

I would also check the BIOS for C/H/S configuration. Maybe pop the drive in another computer, to test it independently.

I'm also wondering what brand PSU that is? Looks pretty intense, like it's a Turbo-Cool

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Reply 9 of 12, by chinny22

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Which OS you thinking of installing?

You can also get pre made boot disks from here, you shouldn't need anything special.
https://bootdisk.com

The tricky part theses days is creating the boot disk as modern PC's don't have the floppy drive. If your computer is old enough to have a FDD header you can move the drive from machine to machine.
otherwise you'll probably want to invest in a USB floppy drive. Or something like a Gotek Floppy emulator which allows you to use software to write the disk image to the USB stick and the emulator itself looks after the the old 486 side of things.

Reply 10 of 12, by steakguy120

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Major Jackyl wrote on 2025-06-05, 22:46:
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Nice find, that thing is pretty clean.

I would hope you have another (retro) computer, yes? Make a Windows 98 boot disk, those things are great!

How to do that:(for reference)

Option 1:
In Windows 98 Control Panel, open add/remove programs
There will be a tab for making boot disk in there
You will need your Windows 98 CD

Option 2 (expert):
Format a floppy and check "copy system files"
Goto x:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ and grab whatever you think you will need (fdisk, format, edit, etc.)
Put it with the COMMAND.COM that FORMAT put on the floppy
Make a new file: CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT (or copy them from x:\)
Edit those to make a disk to your liking. It will boot with just the COMMAND.COM

I'd also recommend getting DOS install disk images and "burning" them to floppy, you might need those eventually.

Of course, if you have no floppies, disregard my advise, 🤣

old school gamer man wrote on 2025-06-05, 21:36:

wow that's probably as clean as they come. as for the hdd perhaps the controller needs it programmed in, you know the heads, cylinders and sectors counts. I know a lot of old hdds and controllers don't auto detect that stuff

I would also check the BIOS for C/H/S configuration. Maybe pop the drive in another computer, to test it independently.

I'm also wondering what brand PSU that is? Looks pretty intense, like it's a Turbo-Cool

I've got a working pentium III system (1 ghz coppermine w/nvidia geforce 2, 512mb pc133 memory, as well as a soundblaster live) at the moment with a 3.5" floppy drive so I'll probably go ahead and follow your advice with that system after I clean and grease both drives of each respective system.

As for the power supply, it appears to be a Power Tronic unit, a bit of a brick if you ask me, wasn't caked in as much dust as I initially expected when I opened it for cleaning, and despite it sounding like hell on the first boot attempt, the fan doesn't even sound like it's gone completely bad.

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Reply 11 of 12, by Unknown_K

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I have a couple of those 486 Gateway towers, and one has seen better days. Oddly enough they don't have many 3.5" HD bays for their sheer size, and the motherboards (one system came complete and the other was just and empty case) are not that big.

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Reply 12 of 12, by grjr

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Awesome find! Been quite a few years since I've seen a listing for a free old (beige) PC. Load up DOS on that thing and play some games!