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First post, by old school gamer man

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I'm assuming we allow build logs here, if not sorry.

Right now I'm at a cross road in my life, the wife and I have not been able to have a kid the old fashioned way (not for a lack of trying 🤣) and we been thinking of fostering. I did that when I was younger and still single and loved it and we figured we cold do it together and we will need to free up the room for a kid/s. To add to this computers and I have a very toxic relationship to say the least. Computers, gaming and so on keep me up way to late, I spend way to much money on them, I sit at a desk all day playing on them and the stuff I need to do never gets done that and the lack of exercise is a big problem for me as I age. this last moth alone I spent nearly 2k on parts I'll likely never use and 4k the month before... yeah that's a problem. The main problem is that I love building PCs then I spend days if not weeks trying to get them to work. I'm up until 3 or 4am then off to work at 8. I even ended up with a stress ulcer from the lack of sleep and frantically trying to make things work and looking at my bank account... only to never use the system yeah this has to stop.

So I chose to get rid of all my computers, bench stands, parts and so on and stick to just one retro PC. I may keep a few spare parts but that's it

But I know there will be times I need a modern PC to do stuff like taxes banking and so on. The problem here is if I have two computers I'm going to go right back down the rabbit hole, I'm going to be messing with KVMs , wires and so on. A tablet would work but I know for me I would just sit on it all day watching TV and movies and that's one of the things I'm trying to avoid as there are times when I come home and do nothing but binge watch crap I should not even be watching in the first place.

I'm thinking of getting something like a pico itx motherboard and shoving it into a 5.25 bay or some other part of the case then remoting into it when I need to get on the web. I may rig up a internal KVM inside the PC too but IDK yet. What I do know is that I can't be using anything that fun to use online, anything web related has to be a pain in the butt to use.

I don't have the platform or parts picked yet and having sold most everything off so that would pay for anything I need. But I know what the system will need it to do. I need it to be able to run most very late dos games any games form 95ish to 2000 and a few games from 2000 to 2003 or 4ish.

I still have a handful of parts I will be using for the build, a few vintage water and air cooling parts. A really nice case that is the same case the ALR evolution VQ used but without the ARL branding, its alot like the case the ALR 6x6 used but in ATX and with a more basic front plate.

I have a more modem PSU that fits the case with 4 and 8 pins and agp pro connectors and all the cooling parts I need. I have a DVD drive, the keyboard and mouse, a joy stick and a few other small things. But no hdds or motherboard or video cards as I sold most everything and all I have left to sell are some random newer stuff.

I have not picked out any of the parts i want to buy outside a SB live... ironically I sold 4 of them in the purge and I'm leaning on a gf6800 and a 754 or 939 system, maybe a via chip set 775 board of I can find out they support the SB live's dos drivers and 9x.
for storage I'm going scsi all the way I love the sound of scsi drives, they don't just click the clunk and whine too haha.What scsi card I use will depend on the motherboard I end up with, If I get a PCI only board I would likely be using a Adaptec 2100S as they are cheap and work rather well. But I'm hopping to find a board with PCIx or pcie that would work for what I need.
The os will be 98 lite as I love the 95 shell with ether nt4 or 2k dual boot for a few newer games.

I know I was kinda all over the place here, Gotta love ADHD 🤣. But I hope I made since and you got an idea of what I'll be doing.

Reply 1 of 10, by Archer57

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For online stuff - dual boot linux on whatever retro PC you build. It'll work, will be secure and will run modern browser. Will be slow though and forget about youtube - so a pain, exactly as you wanted 😁

Though if you do build something like dual core 939+ or 775+ with GPU which supports video decoding then it can become too good...

Reply 2 of 10, by ATi_Loyalist

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Thanks for sharing. It is a really fun hobby and many of us have a great passion but that passion runs very close and in parallel with excess, I think many of us have been close to that edge or gone over even if just temporarily. Glad to hear you'll be downsizing and setting some healthy limits 🙂

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Reply 3 of 10, by chinny22

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Many of us here have the same problem. Building computers then moving onto the next build rather then using what we just created. I guess at least old hardware isn't quite as expensive as modern stuff, yet.
However be warned kids will not help your situation, They have a habit of taking up all your free time and energy so once they are in bed your too exhausted to "play computers"
Still it's nice to have something as backup on the rare times you do have 5 minutes to yourself!

Reply 4 of 10, by ATi_Loyalist

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chinny22 wrote on 2025-06-06, 04:08:

Many of us here have the same problem. Building computers then moving onto the next build rather then using what we just created. I guess at least old hardware isn't quite as expensive as modern stuff, yet.
However be warned kids will not help your situation, They have a habit of taking up all your free time and energy so once they are in bed your too exhausted to "play computers"
Still it's nice to have something as backup on the rare times you do have 5 minutes to yourself!

I hear that!!!! It's always a mental battle, do I sleep so I can be a person tomorrow, or do something I enjoy so I can be a person in general.

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Reply 5 of 10, by old school gamer man

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ohh the choices for a platform.

Part of me wants to build a 875 chipset system with a preshot but the SB live dos drivers do not like that chipset. I wold have to use the windows 98 SB emulator witch is good but it does not do midi or alib, I can get around that with mapping general midi or mpu setting in some games to use the SB live's midi synth but support for that is hit or miss and I would have to run dos games in windows. Most of the dos games I want to play don't like running in windows.

A via chipset 462 system would work with the SB live's dos drivers but I know that the Axp is a little under powered for some of the latter games I want to play. A via chipset 754 or 939 system would be more then fast enough but then I'm getting into a system that's new enough that I would be trying to play far more modern games and doing web stuff and I don't want t get back into that rut of trying to make something work out of hardware that is not up to par.

One platform I always wanted to build is a SK8 system with a Pii over drive. But this would be far to under powered for my needs and I wuld be trying to find ways to make it faster only to track down a slot 1 to sk8 adapter and then I would right back at spending money on stuff I don't need when I could just get a Piii and I'll be right back at the same problem the Axp has with being a tick to slow for the latter games I want to play and I'll be up all night trying to make the system faster.

Anther part of me wants to build a 925x system too but if I went that rout I would be pin modding the socket to use cedar mill CPUs or core 2's and I rather not go down that rabbit hole again.

I'm leaning towards 875 with a 6800u. But I still have yet to make up my mind.

Reply 6 of 10, by old school gamer man

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ok let's do this!!!! I picked my parts!!!

chose to go with a via chipset sk939 system. I war just about to pull the trigger on a kt133a setup but figured 939 would be better for my needs.

so without further ado here's the list of parts I bought so far.

MSI K8T Neo2 motherboard.
AMD64 x2 4400+ Toledo core 89w TDP.
2x512mb OZC platinum cl2 ddr400 ram.
6800gt AGP with a arctic NV4 cooler.
SB Audigy.
Vintage alpha cool CPU block.
Vintage 360mm rad.
2 16gb Sata ssds for the OS
8 Maxtor Atlas scsi drives.

sometimes down the road ill swap over to a pcie chipset board but today I wasn't able to find a pcie board that would work with 98.

I chose 939 for a handful of reasons, 1 it supports 98, 2 with a via chipset board I can use a pci sound card and still have sound in dos and lastly is more than fast enough to do everything I wanted it to do wile still being old enough that I wouldn't be using it to binged watch tv or surf the web all day.

Reply 7 of 10, by old school gamer man

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I still have a few parts to buy, I want to track down a d4 pump or a very early d5, o e of the old ones that actually run faster on 24v and aren't capped at 5k rpm

Reply 8 of 10, by old school gamer man

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The problem of amperage.

So the case I have does not use a AXT PSU. I made a mounting plate so I could use a AXT PSU but I rather use the OG redundant PSU. After years of looking I found the best PSU that fits the case but even it only have 25 amps on the 12v rail.
Now 25 amps is not bad but once you factor in a 90w CPU, a few fans, a 6800gt, and 8 fricken 10k rpm hdds that pull upwards of 2 amps at start up and 1 to 1.5 amps once spinning ... yeah problems will be had.

Before I modded the case years ago (before I found out it was a ALR case) the case fit 4 PSU's however the spot for the 2 PSUs for the hdds, fans and other 12v things was cut out for a 3 120mm fans, oof.

But there are things I can do to work around it. First off I could get a 12v 5.25 PSU and run the GPU and fans off it. anther thing I will be doing is setting up the delay spin jumper on the scsi drives. This will make it so only one scsi drive spins up at a time prevent over loading of the PSU. Anther option would be to make a plate to fit a anther pair of PSUs where the 360mm radiator mount I added to the case is.
and the last options I foresee is running all the fans at 5v and getting a 120v AC pump of a 5v pump to lighten the load off the 12v rail.

ohh and I could buy one of those little 12v PSU and chuck it somewhere in the case.

Now I may be over thinking it, because I will be shutting off one of the 2 cores on the CPU and the hdds only pull around 1 amp once up and going but its better safe than sorry.

I'll need to get a amp meter to see just how much everything pulls and plan accordingly.

Reply 9 of 10, by old school gamer man

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cleaning up the PSU today. it was packed full of dust and a pain in the butt to clean.

Reply 10 of 10, by PD2JK

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If you worry about having enough juice, maybe staggered spin-up can help dosage the power to the drives when turning on the system.
You'll need a controller who supports it of course.

Good to read you're getting sane at this lovely hobby. Remember it's just that, there are more important things, but you already seem to reckon. 👍

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