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First post, by FullYes

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Greetings

Firstly I would like to announce that I am an idiot.

I had a “maxed” socket 7 build up until a few years ago, made up of components I’d either bought new in the late ‘90s or with components I’d bought cheap off eBay in the early noughties. Parts included a GF2 MX, a voodoo2 and an AWE64 gold. I sold the machine when I moved house. The reasoning behind it was; “sell it while it still worked” as I did not think I could easily repair it if it ever did finally break down.

The system was based on a FullYes Intel 82430VX motherboard, which was the first motherboard I ever bought (2nd hand at a computer car boot sale) and either ran a Pentium 233 MMX or a K6/2-400 in its final form, but it was originally paired with a Pentium 75 (which I o/c’d to 100Mhz 😬)

I’ve been hankering for a dos/w98 machine again recently, torn between a socket 7 build and a kt133a-based Athlon XP. But I moreorless have to start from scratch as I’d cleared out all of my retro add-in cards. So building something from scratch was going to cost a lot of money for either option.

So I was really looking for a full system as a fixer-upper. I can solder and with a lot of inspiration from YouTubers like necroware, crg and Phil’scomputer lab I looked for such a machine. I wasn’t in a rush, but I’ve just bought what looks like a good base on eBay

The seller didn’t provide much information but from the pictures, it has the MSI 5158 TX5 motherboard. The CPU appears to be a Pentium 233MMX based on how the jumpers are set and the sticker on the front of the case. There is a sound blaster vibra16 (model CT4170) and I think an S3 virge vga card. It appears to work but may need recommissioning.

So it has similar bones to what I had before. Some benefits over my last system is that it’s atx and has native usb, I had a lot of issues with usb cards on my old system. Particularly when I had the voodoo2 installed.

It’s in a desktop case. Not sure if I should transplant it to a modern tower or not. The case is pretty beat up.

Im looking forward to getting it and doing some tinkering. My main interest will be for playing dos games from the mid-late 90s with maybe the odd windows game thrown in. Ideally I would find a 3D card such as what I had before, and maybe a better sound card. What would you guys recommend?

Reply 1 of 11, by sunkindly

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Sounds exciting, looking forward to some photos!

I'll let others chime in with recs as I'm not too familiar with Socket 7 and have just started to dabble in that era.

Welcome to the forum!

SUN85: NEC PC-8801mkIIMR
SUN92: Northgate Elegance | 386DX-25 | Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 | SB 1.0
SUN97: QDI Titanium IE | Pentium MMX 200MHz | Tseng ET6000 | SB 16
SUN00: ABIT BF6 | Pentium III 1.1GHz | 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 | AU8830

Reply 4 of 11, by sunkindly

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FullYes wrote on 2025-10-31, 09:25:
FullYes wrote on 2025-10-31, 09:24:

Thank you. I’ll share a link to the eBay listing so you can have a preview, there are lots of pics on there

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=197653991093

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=197653 … ete=1&LH_Sold=1

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Looks pretty good, caps too! I also like that you went with a desktop case, I think they're more a lot more interesting than towers.

SUN85: NEC PC-8801mkIIMR
SUN92: Northgate Elegance | 386DX-25 | Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 | SB 1.0
SUN97: QDI Titanium IE | Pentium MMX 200MHz | Tseng ET6000 | SB 16
SUN00: ABIT BF6 | Pentium III 1.1GHz | 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 | AU8830

Reply 5 of 11, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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FullYes wrote on 2025-10-31, 09:25:
FullYes wrote on 2025-10-31, 09:24:

Thank you. I’ll share a link to the eBay listing so you can have a preview, there are lots of pics on there

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=197653991093

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=197653 … ete=1&LH_Sold=1

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Looks like a nice setup - like sunkindly, if it was me I'd keep it in the desktop case but maybe look to retrobrite the front panel.

Opus were the public sector arm of Tiny Computers, and this model looks close to the spec you have there... https://web.archive.org/web/19980212165619fw_ … .uk/premier.htm

Reply 6 of 11, by FullYes

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2025-10-31, 17:27:
FullYes wrote on 2025-10-31, 09:25:
FullYes wrote on 2025-10-31, 09:24:

Thank you. I’ll share a link to the eBay listing so you can have a preview, there are lots of pics on there

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=197653991093

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=197653 … ete=1&LH_Sold=1

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Looks like a nice setup - like sunkindly, if it was me I'd keep it in the desktop case but maybe look to retrobrite the front panel.

Opus were the public sector arm of Tiny Computers, and this model looks close to the spec you have there... https://web.archive.org/web/19980212165619fw_ … .uk/premier.htm

Thanks for that! Yeah that looks identical to what I’ve bought!

Reply 7 of 11, by FullYes

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Err, I might have to change the title of this thread! 🙈

Spent the past week or so researching/browsing eBay for additional components for this socket 7 system. It still hasn’t arrived, but I think it’ll be here tomorrow.
I wanted some kind of 3D card. Obviously with this system I’m limited to PCI and getting something really fast and modern would be pointless. A voodoo2 would be ideal, but crazy money now. I should never have sold mine!

I’ve seen several videos on Phil’s computer lab about the FX5500PCI and how good it is for retro-compatibility and price/performance. I had both a 5200 and 5600 back in the day, and remember neither fondly. Infact I had such a bad experience with that nvidia generation I switched to ATI for the next ~10 years.

But with the scarcity and cost of other options, I figured I’d try and get one from AliExpress, as Phil did. There are many on there, some for about the price Phil(‘scomputerlab) quoted in his most recent video, and some for totally crazy prices. I think the sellers have latched on to the community interest in these, as both times I attempted to buy one, both sellers said. “Sorry there is additional cost to ship to you.” First one said $90 extra and the 2nd one said $300!

I almost posted on here asking who might be a reputable seller on there, but instead I’ve switched direction. I’ll make this rig primarily for Dos, and for that the S3 should be adequate. At least to begin with.

I mentioned in the first post I was contemplating either a socket 7 or an Athlon XP build. Well, why not both?

I had my eye on a motherboard on eBay which was the right spec. A KT133A with an ISA slot. A Soltek SL-75KAV. I was uncomfortable with the asking price but it wasn’t that high when I think about how much it cost new. I put an offer in and it was accepted! But then I wasn’t sure what to do next. I still need all the other components and none of them are particularly cheap.

Having an AGP system, There is more choice for me to find a video card, but I still wanted good legacy compatibility. I had a GF4 MX 440
back in the day and I remember it as a stable and overclockable card. It seems to be a minefield buying one on eBay though, is the one I’m looking at 64 or 128bit? What ram and how fast? There are hundreds of different versions.

I was still pondering what to do when I got an offer from an eBay seller for an Athlon XP system I’d been watching. I had dismissed this system already as it didn’t have the right motherboard and it was in a hideous case. Still, the offer seemed quite reasonable and perhaps I can make use of the other components. I was at my PC so I had a big monitor to study the images carefully. I had previously only seen it on my phone. The description of the PC was pretty vague, no specs whatsoever, just lots of photos, including some pics of the inside. Then I spotted something. The GPU had a molex connector so it had to be a pretty decent one. It took me a while, but I eventually figured out what it is. If I am correct (and it works properly) then it will be worth buying this full system just for the video card. So I took the guys offer and paid for it. Hopefully it will be here by the weekend

So now I’ve gone from no retro PCs to 2 and a half in the space of a week, and I’ve not told the wife 😬

Reply 8 of 11, by sunkindly

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FullYes wrote on 2025-11-05, 23:08:

So now I’ve gone from no retro PCs to 2 and a half in the space of a week, and I’ve not told the wife 😬

Hehe, it can be quite the slippery slope.

SUN85: NEC PC-8801mkIIMR
SUN92: Northgate Elegance | 386DX-25 | Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 | SB 1.0
SUN97: QDI Titanium IE | Pentium MMX 200MHz | Tseng ET6000 | SB 16
SUN00: ABIT BF6 | Pentium III 1.1GHz | 3dfx Voodoo3 3000 | AU8830

Reply 9 of 11, by FullYes

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She already complains I have too many computers. I’m in real trouble 🙈

Reply 10 of 11, by FullYes

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Still no Pentium system today but I’m gathering bits for the athlon XP build:

2 x 256mb PC133 ram, CL2
An Athlon XP 2800+ Barton (2083MHz) (12.5x166)

The Soltek board has dip switches to change the multi up to 14x which should give me (if it works correctly) 1866MHz. If it doesn’t work, then I will have 1666MHz initially. Hopefully I can undervolt the CPU a little or go for some overclocking of the FSB. I don’t think these via chipsets are good for overclocking but I’m going to try it anyway 😬 I am sure I’ll also be tempted at some point to do the mod to force a higher multi, a nice round 2GHz would be cool.

My next pondering is what to do about storage. I am going to get a CF+IDE adaptor for the Pentium but I’m not sure of the performance of these on a newer build. I still have a 200Gb Maxtor IDE drive that I bought 20 years ago that still works perfectly so I’ll probably start with that with the Athlon. I have a 250Gb Samsung 830 SSD which I could also call into use with an adaptor. I was wondering in the car earlier how trim is handled in Win98 or if it’s even a consideration. I have not had chance to google but I assume this question has been asked and answered on here before

I’ve got my eye on an AWE64 on eBay but not sure if I would be better with a generic (but good quality) SB clone with a wavetable header.

Reply 11 of 11, by FullYes

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Some stuff has arrived! Still no Pentium system. But enough Athlon stuff has arrived that I can start tinkering. Pics to follow