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First post, by Lostdotfish

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I've got a Voodoo 2 card that is recognised in Windows 98 device manager - but the drivers don't load and MOJO hangs when you try and run it.

Initial inspection of the board discovered this.

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Whatever went wrong with this card it blew out the 5V+ side of the traces on FB10 and C181.

I replaced these and the dodgy looking components nearby but still no change in the card's behaviour.

Testing and investigating further, I discovered that I have a short to ground somewhere (kicking myself a little that this wasn't the first thing I checked for). I've started pulling some caps out of circuit but the short to ground is still there.

Any advice on how best to track down the short? I've pulled most of the 4.7uf caps out of circuit now but the short persists.

Last edited by Lostdotfish on 2025-11-24, 19:10. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 28, by butjer1010

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZlt9Dl43I&t=1318s

This Video is one of my favorite when going to inspect any of Voodoo 2 😀

It is easier than desolder all of the ceramic caps...

Reply 2 of 28, by butjer1010

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Even though, this could be the first suspect if the V+ is shorted

Reply 3 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 13:44:

Even though, this could be the first suspect if the V+ is shorted

Removed the v-reg from the board and the short to ground is still there.

Reply 4 of 28, by butjer1010

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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:15:
butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 13:44:

Even though, this could be the first suspect if the V+ is shorted

Removed the v-reg from the board and the short to ground is still there.

I presume You did check the legs of all 3 major chips for "shortening"?
I also managed to fix 2 Voodoo2 cards with changing "resistor rows". One or two, out of four, were faulty, but i don't think this is the case here. Don't think the short is in resistors, because if it is, You would see this 😀

Reply 5 of 28, by butjer1010

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Thermal camera would be helpful here.....

Reply 6 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:23:

Thermal camera would be helpful here.....

yup - don't have....

don't even know where to start other than pulling more caps out of circuit... can't fault find when everything measures a dead short...

5v on the card edge is shorted to gnd on the card edge.

Reply 7 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:22:
Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:15:
butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 13:44:

Even though, this could be the first suspect if the V+ is shorted

Removed the v-reg from the board and the short to ground is still there.

I also managed to fix 2 Voodoo2 cards with changing "resistor rows". One or two, out of four, were faulty, but i don't think this is the case here. Don't think the short is in resistors, because if it is, You would see this 😀

Most of these fault fail open not short. Same with the other resistors on the card - they are much more likely to fail open than become a short...

Reply 8 of 28, by butjer1010

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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:56:
butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:22:
Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:15:

Removed the v-reg from the board and the short to ground is still there.

I also managed to fix 2 Voodoo2 cards with changing "resistor rows". One or two, out of four, were faulty, but i don't think this is the case here. Don't think the short is in resistors, because if it is, You would see this 😀

Most of these fault fail open not short. Same with the other resistors on the card - they are much more likely to fail open than become a short...

Yep, that's way i said You need to check board visually, because if the resistor is shorted, You can see it 😀
If You saw this video i have sent You, there is a easier way to see if the cap is faulty, You don't have to desolder every one...
Just go to the end of video 18:24 - Voltage measurement

Reply 9 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 15:08:
Yep, that's way i said You need to check board visually, because if the resistor is shorted, You can see it :) If You saw this v […]
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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:56:
butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:22:

I also managed to fix 2 Voodoo2 cards with changing "resistor rows". One or two, out of four, were faulty, but i don't think this is the case here. Don't think the short is in resistors, because if it is, You would see this 😀

Most of these fault fail open not short. Same with the other resistors on the card - they are much more likely to fail open than become a short...

Yep, that's way i said You need to check board visually, because if the resistor is shorted, You can see it 😀
If You saw this video i have sent You, there is a easier way to see if the cap is faulty, You don't have to desolder every one...
Just go to the end of video 18:24 - Voltage measurement

He's measuring off the vreg while heating the caps. Can't do that with a dead short on v+

Reply 10 of 28, by butjer1010

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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 15:18:
butjer1010 wrote on 2025-11-24, 15:08:
Yep, that's way i said You need to check board visually, because if the resistor is shorted, You can see it :) If You saw this v […]
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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 14:56:

Most of these fault fail open not short. Same with the other resistors on the card - they are much more likely to fail open than become a short...

Yep, that's way i said You need to check board visually, because if the resistor is shorted, You can see it 😀
If You saw this video i have sent You, there is a easier way to see if the cap is faulty, You don't have to desolder every one...
Just go to the end of video 18:24 - Voltage measurement

He's measuring off the vreg while heating the caps. Can't do that with a dead short on v+

He didn't measure voltage while the card was in PC, turned on, he measure it on table! There is some small voltage when they are cold, but it goes up when warmed up.

Reply 11 of 28, by butjer1010

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Now i get it!!! 😀 😀 😀 I was doing few things, didn't even think about what You said 😀!!!
There is no voltage at all when they're shorted 😀 😀 😀

Reply 12 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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I'm beginning to wonder if the DAC is internally shorted....

I've pulled a lot of caps, all the ferrites, the diodes.... There's a lot more caps on the board still but it will be a hell of a job to pull them all...

Reply 13 of 28, by butjer1010

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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 18:40:

I'm beginning to wonder if the DAC is internally shorted....

I've pulled a lot of caps, all the ferrites, the diodes.... There's a lot more caps on the board still but it will be a hell of a job to pull them all...

Hope You'll find the problem soon...

Reply 14 of 28, by asdf53

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What about tracing the pads of FB10 and see where it connects to? Since ferrite beads are in series with other components, those parts would likely also be destroyed.

Reply 15 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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DAC is off - still shorting to ground...

this card is frustrating

Reply 16 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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asdf53 wrote on 2025-11-24, 19:57:

What about tracing the pads of FB10 and see where it connects to? Since ferrite beads are in series with other components, those parts would likely also be destroyed.

I'd expect most things to fail open rather than fail short... I've moved all the caps in the same area off their pads, still shorting.

Reply 17 of 28, by butjer1010

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I can tell You that when You repair it, the feeling will be - It totally worth it!!!
Don't give up.... or wait someone smarter than me to tell You some direction where to go 😀

Reply 18 of 28, by asdf53

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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-11-24, 20:37:

I'd expect most things to fail open rather than fail short... I've moved all the caps in the same area off their pads, still shorting.

But transistors fail short, and ferrite beads are often connected to transistors.

Reply 19 of 28, by sdz

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The RAM ICs, clock buffer IC (next to the RAMDAC) and the VGA mux IC also sit on the 5V rail.
If you don't have a thermal camera, you could try applying some IPA, inject current into the 5V rail, and see where it evaporates first.