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First post, by DeathAdderSF

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Hello, all.

To all the audiophiles here who've mastered the art of the ISA sound card:

What would you say are the top picks for recording stereo FM audio from a Sound Blaster Pro (CT-1330) compatible card, via the 3.5mm jack, with the lowest amount of introduced noise? This specifically concerns games where stereo music is only available via dual OPL2.

Would appreciate your thoughts, thanks.

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Reply 1 of 11, by carlostex

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There aren't many CT1330 clones and I'm not sure any CT1330 clones or compatibles improved much the sound quality output.

Best option I know of, and I own both cards, is the OG Pro Audio Spectrum. The PAS isn't necessarily compatible with the SB Pro 1 and it shouldn't since it predates Creative SB Pro introduction.

However, PAS is supported on probably 99% of games that actually output dual OPL2. I know this isn't the answer you were looking for but it is what it is.

Try to do the best you can with your CT1330, use a good PSU, watch out for ground looping noise, disable or mute everything that is not needed on the CT1330 for the least noise introduction as possible.

Reply 3 of 11, by DeathAdderSF

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carlostex wrote on Yesterday, 10:59:

Best option I know of, and I own both cards, is the OG Pro Audio Spectrum.

I was afraid someone was going to recommend that'n. I sold my 8-bit PAS a few years ago, as it wasn't getting any use. 😔

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Reply 4 of 11, by DeathAdderSF

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Grzyb wrote on Yesterday, 12:16:

If you're a true audiophile, then forget about the 3.5mm jack, and go for this - http://yehar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ads.pdf

Actually I've been using the Adlib-Digisnap for years; I even host a website where I share my efforts: Ad Lib music archive.

Problem is, it only supports recording from a single YM3812 chip. To record stereo Ad Lib, I'd need to record each song twice, then splice 'em together. It's not the time investment or the headache I'm concerned with. Rather it's that I'm not keen about having any timing differences, even tiny ones, from this process. Shame there ain't a stereo Digisnap, but I'm grateful for what I have just the same.

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Reply 5 of 11, by DeathAdderSF

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As an aside (switching gears for a second): Where the PAS-16 is concerned, is there one particular revision that provides the cleanest sound, or do they all basically offer the same quality level?

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Reply 6 of 11, by carlostex

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DeathAdderSF wrote on Yesterday, 21:03:
carlostex wrote on Yesterday, 10:59:

Best option I know of, and I own both cards, is the OG Pro Audio Spectrum.

I was afraid someone was going to recommend that'n. I sold my 8-bit PAS a few years ago, as it wasn't getting any use. 😔

You've sold the PAS and kept a CT1330? Damn... If i had to choose the CT1330 would be gone in a second

Reply 7 of 11, by carlostex

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DeathAdderSF wrote on Yesterday, 21:08:

As an aside (switching gears for a second): Where the PAS-16 is concerned, is there one particular revision that provides the cleanest sound, or do they all basically offer the same quality level?

I guess so. The PAS 16 models where the S stands for "Studio" instead of "Spectrum" were marketed as having better sound characteristics but do they really? I honestly have no idea.

Reply 8 of 11, by cyclone3d

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I've got multiple CT1330 cards, a PAS 8-bit and a couple of the CT1330 clones.

Never even hooked up the clones.

The CT1330s don't seem to be that noisy to me.

The big thing I have noticed in the past is that the "noisy" cards can usually be quieted up a ton by:
1. Having a motherboard that has electrolytic capacitors that aren't faulty.
2. Not having a motherboard that only has tantulum capacitors (extremely noisy on boards like this).
3. Having a power supply that outputs good, clean power. This excludes pretty much every power supply from back then. Always get a good brand that is at least 80+ bronze certified or that got reviews that actual testing was done on and showed very clean power output. The less ripple the better.

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Reply 9 of 11, by SuperDeadite

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These days, I'd recommend using hardware VGM players if you want high-quality low-noise recordings. Personally, I mostly use MSX myself, but there are lots of options for OPL2/3 such as RetroWave or this: https://www.tindie.com/products/denjhang/re2- … 2nd-sound-card/

CM-64, CM-500, SC-55MkII, SC-88 Pro, SY22, TG100, MU2000EX, PLG100-SG, PLG150-DR, PLG150-AN, SG01k, NS5R, GZ-50M, SN-U110-07, SN-U110-10, Pocket Studio 5, DreamBlaster S2, X2, McFly, E-Wave, QWave, CrystalBlaster C2, Yucatan FX, BeepBlaster, SuperOctet!

Reply 10 of 11, by cyclone3d

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SuperDeadite wrote on Today, 03:55:

These days, I'd recommend using hardware VGM players if you want high-quality low-noise recordings. Personally, I mostly use MSX myself, but there are lots of options for OPL2/3 such as RetroWave or this: https://www.tindie.com/products/denjhang/re2- … 2nd-sound-card/

Do any of those support dual OPL2?

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Reply 11 of 11, by SuperDeadite

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cyclone3d wrote on Today, 04:33:
SuperDeadite wrote on Today, 03:55:

These days, I'd recommend using hardware VGM players if you want high-quality low-noise recordings. Personally, I mostly use MSX myself, but there are lots of options for OPL2/3 such as RetroWave or this: https://www.tindie.com/products/denjhang/re2- … 2nd-sound-card/

Do any of those support dual OPL2?

Yes, VGM spec fully supports dual chips. With the item I linked, you just need two of them plus a host module with enough slots. It is also very easy to convert dual opl2 to opl3 with the VGM tool set. (It will accurately convert to OPL3 stereo.)

I'm using one of the OPL2 boards here, (MSX as host module)
https://youtu.be/XSHZgw56zl8?si=8FNxSlaot2S4QlVB

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