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First post, by dylanfm

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I'm trying to fix a Micronics (09-00065) 386DX motherboard like this one:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/micron … -386-25-09-0006

It has a lot of damage from a leaking battery. I removed the battery and cleaned up most of the corrosion. I have found some of the traces that were eaten away completely and soldered on bodge wires and also unsoldered a couple of chips and socketed a couple of chips, but I'm still having trouble finding the rest of the issues. When powered up, I get no beeps and no output from the VGA card I installed. I get only dashes on the POST test card I installed usually, but if I cycle the power quickly, sometimes it cycles through a bunch codes real fast, before stopping. I think it is just garbage and not actually trying to post, because when display is doing that, the FRAME light on the post card goes out and I still don't get any output on the display.

The RESET pin on the ISA bus is always high, except when the POST card goes crazy, then it has a glitchy looking low pulse sometimes. The 2 chips that I unsoldered were a MC14069 and a 74F04. I don't have replacements for those chips, and even though they test good on my chip tester, I suspect they are bad because the inputs and outputs of the gates on them look different on my cheap scope when they are installed vs when I install 74HC04's to replace them. I realize that 74HC04's aren't exactly the same, and I don't know if they are close enough to work or not, that is all I have right now. With the 74HC04's installed, most of the outputs of the gates have clean looking square waves which wasn't the case with the original chip. One of the outputs of the chip that was the MC14069 (closest to the edge of the board) that has a square wave on the output (gate 6, pin 12) is odd because its input looks to be floating. I'm not sure if having a signal on the output when there isn't an input is by design or indicates a short somewhere. I can't readily tell where the input to that gate is supposed to go.

So, does anybody happen to have schematics of this board or something similar? Or close-up, high-resolution pictures of the area around the power connector where the battery was? This one might just be beyond my current capabilities to repair.

Reply 1 of 8, by Nexxen

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Hi!
Can you post high quality pictures of before and after?
These are too small.

When you have Varta disasters you have to understand that it could steal hours on hours to repair it.

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Reply 2 of 8, by dylanfm

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Attached are the highest resolution pictures I have. I realize there is still a lot of corrosion present in its current state, but I'm trying to balance removing the corrosion vs risking further damage while trying to remove it. A lot of the corrosion and damage seems to be on the RTC portion of the circuit, like the crystal and a least one of the ICs I replaced, but I'm assuming that the board should still boot without the RTC. Is that a correct assessment?

Reply 3 of 8, by Nexxen

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dylanfm wrote on 2026-04-15, 23:10:

Attached are the highest resolution pictures I have. I realize there is still a lot of corrosion present in its current state, but I'm trying to balance removing the corrosion vs risking further damage while trying to remove it. A lot of the corrosion and damage seems to be on the RTC portion of the circuit, like the crystal and a least one of the ICs I replaced, but I'm assuming that the board should still boot without the RTC. Is that a correct assessment?

RTC is required.
I had a similar situation and I had to go down to a lot of continuity test on traces.
It probably works but it's going to be a long project considering all the probing.

Traces will need to be repaired.

No quick solution IMO. That was a nice Varta bomb.

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Reply 4 of 8, by Shponglefan

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Based on the damage, I would get fairly aggressive with a repair. This includes removing the mask on any damaged traces to expose the bare copper underneath. I would also remove any components and solder points with corrosion on them. Assuming the components are salvageable, those can be resoldered. The thing with corrosion like this is that a lot of damage can be hiding underneath.

I have a board that was heavily corroded like this. While I could get it initially booted, it was highly unstable. Exposing the traces lead to finding a lot of corroded traces, a number of which needed to be repaired.

It is a fair bit of work to do. But it's also a good exercise in board repair.

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Reply 5 of 8, by rasz_pl

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Yep everything Shponglefan said. This needs removal of one row of chips 7404 7404 7414 7407, Q2 transistor, clock gen can, row of resistors diodes and inductor, small 32K resonator and resistor next to it
then wash all the green stuff with detergent and toothbrush
then scrape all the solder mask not eaten by corrosion yet - battery alkaline has wicked under the solder mask (it can also wick into the chip packages!) and will keep corroding if not aggressively removed
then use tiny drill to clean VIAs
then find all the places where tracks were broken and patch them up, you can start by tinning all the tracks to speed things up
then plug all VIAs with thin wire and solder on both ends
then nail polish to protect from oxidation
then you either clean all the parts removed earlier or replace with spares new/pulled from scrap boards

lot of not very difficult work

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Reply 6 of 8, by dylanfm

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Nexxen wrote on 2026-04-16, 07:55:
RTC is required. I had a similar situation and I had to go down to a lot of continuity test on traces. It probably works but it' […]
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RTC is required.
I had a similar situation and I had to go down to a lot of continuity test on traces.
It probably works but it's going to be a long project considering all the probing.

Traces will need to be repaired.

No quick solution IMO. That was a nice Varta bomb.

Is the RTC required even to POST, issue beep codes, and/or come out of reset? What about the battery?

Reply 7 of 8, by dylanfm

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rasz_pl wrote on 2026-04-17, 00:31:
Yep everything Shponglefan said. This needs removal of one row of chips 7404 7404 7414 7407, Q2 transistor, clock gen can, row o […]
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Yep everything Shponglefan said. This needs removal of one row of chips 7404 7404 7414 7407, Q2 transistor, clock gen can, row of resistors diodes and inductor, small 32K resonator and resistor next to it
then wash all the green stuff with detergent and toothbrush
then scrape all the solder mask not eaten by corrosion yet - battery alkaline has wicked under the solder mask (it can also wick into the chip packages!) and will keep corroding if not aggressively removed
then use tiny drill to clean VIAs
then find all the places where tracks were broken and patch them up, you can start by tinning all the tracks to speed things up
then plug all VIAs with thin wire and solder on both ends
then nail polish to protect from oxidation
then you either clean all the parts removed earlier or replace with spares new/pulled from scrap boards

lot of not very difficult work

I have now replaced the chips, 32khz crystal, the resistor next to it and if few others. I don't have a replacement for the oscillator. I think I made a mistake by soldering sockets to replace the components when I did. I think I'm going to need to unsolder them and several other components so that I can properly trace through the circuit and scrape off the solder mask like you say. If I had a schematic, I think I could fix this, but without that, I'm really not sure. I feel like I'm going to need to try to draw the schematic for this portion of the circuit before I am comfortable unsoldering everything all at once.

Reply 8 of 8, by Nexxen

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dylanfm wrote on 2026-04-17, 05:38:
Nexxen wrote on 2026-04-16, 07:55:
RTC is required. I had a similar situation and I had to go down to a lot of continuity test on traces. It probably works but it' […]
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RTC is required.
I had a similar situation and I had to go down to a lot of continuity test on traces.
It probably works but it's going to be a long project considering all the probing.

Traces will need to be repaired.

No quick solution IMO. That was a nice Varta bomb.

Is the RTC required even to POST, issue beep codes, and/or come out of reset? What about the battery?

To my knowledge yes. No RTC no movement.

Look for Necroware on youtube, he repaired lots of boards and by watching you can learn tons.
It was my starting point for many repairs.

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PC#2 PIII-1Ghz - 98SE/W2K

- "One hates the specialty unobtainium parts, the other laughs in greed listing them under a ridiculous price" - kotel studios
- Bare metal ist krieg.