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First post, by pjw611

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Sharing this for the common good.

Ran into a weird issue with what I think is an early revision of the BEC Precision 286-12II motherboard. That's the one on the retro web that it most closely matches, though mine lacks any silkscreening of jumper maps, and has no external battery header, for two minor differences.

After clearing up the usual issues - putting on a CR2032 adapter with diode, replacing the tantalum on the 12 volt rail that exploded on first power up - I ran into a power issue.

On cold start - refuses to POST. Card shows straight dashes and the ready indicator never changed
On a restart - two scenarios:

  • If you wait too long, same result
  • If you do a snap shot restart, powering back on right after the lights go out, it boots

Traced this to the Power Ready line - on those failed boots, it was floating between 1.7 and 2.1 volts, and on the quick restart, hopped right up to 5 volts like normal. Thought it was an issue with the TC4069UBP chip pulling down the voltage but after tracing that back through the resistor/diode array nearby I found it was sharing a line with the adjacent HM6818P - a thankfully socketed chip. Pulling that chip out, I was unable to get it to hang. It started, though clearly failed (lacking an RTC chip) to POST under every circumstance.

Thankfully I had a 386SX board in my stash that I could "borrow" the same chip from and put it in place to see if it fixed the issue, and it did. 286 boots perfectly every time with that chip in place.

Was about to swap them back and order a replacement when I thought to try the "bad" chip in the 386SX board - and it worked too! Every time, without fail.

So what I've taken from this is twofold:

  1. If it doesn't post and there's voltage being held from reaching critical levels on the power good line, look at that clock chip.
  2. If it proves to be the chip it might not be that it's bad, it might be that the board is sensitive to a something about that particular chip, where another board might not be.

nb - I did try to put the old chip back into the 286 and see if it was just that removal/reinsertion had cleaned the connectors on the chip or the socket, but it immediately started failing again after a single successful start. But has yet to give me any trouble on the 386.


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Reply 1 of 3, by rasz_pl

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Sounds like reset circuit problem, you should look at Q1 Q2 and that area. HM6818P takes reset on pin 18 - you can trace off of that.

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Reply 2 of 3, by SSTV2

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I would take a closer look at the PG circuit, as this is how a faulty PG line would manifest. If that MB follows the VLSI 82C10X chipset reference schematic, then the PG signal should be directly connected to two 4069 hex inverter gates, one output (0V) goes to pin 13 (/CE) of the RTC, the other gate's output should connect to one more gate and form a +5V signal, which would then go to pin 81 (PG) of the 82C101 chip. Note: Q1 and Q2 are not part of the reset circuit for the RTC, they act as a +5V power switch when the PSU is on, and when it's off, battery takes over the power function for the RTC, though RTC technically could be "reset" through the /CE pin.

I'd first check if PG contacts on both MB header and PSU connector are not corroded.

Reply 3 of 3, by DaveDDS

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rasz_pl wrote on 2026-07-10, 17:07:

Sounds like reset circuit problem, you should look at Q1 Q2 and that area. HM6818P takes reset on pin 18 - you can trace off of that.

Agreed, a good way to test (if the mainboard supports it) is to write a button to the reset inout and manually reset it after it's been on for a bit.

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