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First post, by mikey1871

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hi, used to play fragile back in the day.... and recently got the game again and wanted to play it.. REALLY BAD. But no joy. new puters are way to fast for this simple game.

Then i hear about DOSBOX.. yea!!!! play all old games again NOT!!!!!

I installed DOSBOX 0.72 and instructed in your quite complete setup and installing instructions, but the game wont do anything except show me the intro screens. when i ask to do the tutorials or "play a new game" it tells me that it needs the CD. The CD is sitting in the darn D drive all the time.
I've set up DOSBOX to go to "oldgames" folder to play the game also as instructed in your set up intructions... NO JOY.

the intro plays in a small "full screen" box but whenever i try to play a game or the tutorials, i get a que for me to load the CD in the cd drive. the cd's already in the drive, but the drive is a dvd drive.

I've tried to set up it so that DOSBOX just reads the darn CD in the D drive and plays the game but it wont say that DOSBOX is programs to read the DVD drive.. oh please do not tell me that DOSBOX cant do the "cdrom" thing with a "dvd drive".

Sorry that i'm not as much into command prompts as i used to be when i was younger.. blame it on the over simplification of Xp and game makes making it way too easy to just instal and play a game now-a-days.

Please, anyone who has the guts to reply to this. please just give me simple commands... ok stupid, just type this ....... in such-a-such place on whatever place it's supposed to go...

I know, it's a pain, but i'd really like to get to play fragile again.

Oh one other thing, why when it shows me the opening intro stuff does it do this in a small window? i usually run my puter on a setting of 1600x900 pixels. and when the game does start up is's like in a 5 inch by 4 inch separate window. Why doesn't the game start up in wide screen mode ( i mean take all of my monitor to render the game) like most other games always do unless you specifically tell the game to show itself in full mode?

hope someone can answer these questions.

Reply 1 of 6, by ADDiCT

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I don't think anyone in this forum will guide you through the installation step by step. Just read the DOSBox readme, and the various FAQ's and tutorials here.

Basically you have to do the following:
- mount a directory as a virtual hd (c:\) and your DVD-Drive as a virtual CD-ROM (yes, DOSBox can do that)
- install and configure the game (soundcard setup, etc.)
- start the game with the same mounts you were using while installing it

That's it! I didn't test FA, but most DOS games should run without problems.

Oh, and DOSBox can stretch the screen to any size you like, both in a window and fullscreen. You'll find info about this topic in the readme and FAQ's, too. You will have to edit the file "dosbox.conf" in the directory you've installed DOSBox to.

Reply 2 of 6, by red_avatar

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The reason it asks for the CD is because you mostly likely mounted it without telling Dosbox it's a CD drive or if you did, you didn't add more options to increase emulation of a real CD/DVD drive.

It's much simpler to just create a CD image of the CD, and use the command imgmount to mount it in Dosbox. So far only one or two games won't accept the CD that way but all the other games see the CD as an original. You don't need any physical CD in your drive anymore and there won't be any problems regarding the emulating of the CD drive either.

As to the other bit: Fragile Allegiance came with an option to show movies full screen or not. Clearly since you never got inside the game, you never were able to change that setting.

Reply 3 of 6, by mikey1871

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first off... thanks for your constructive reply. I DID read the readme for DOSBOX and i also looked up the fact that an earier version (0.63) of DOSBOX 0.72 is supposed to work flawlessly with FA according to the tester named "Striker" on the dosbox website under games.

oh yes, i DID also get the mount to change to "oldgames" as that was told in the instructions of the DOSwiki page. I also got dosbox to indicate that my dvd player in my puter was deesignated as the "C:" drive for dosbox purposes before i wrote my initial inquiriry

I have the following questions

1. what is the "capture folder" for in the dosbox?

2. what is the "cd label" for my game suppsed to be?

yes, i did get dosbox to accept the command for changing Z: to my drive, but any further commands to the "mount C "D:\" -t cdrom, once that command was accepted by dosbox any other commands were said to be illegal ones... the cmds used were intrplay, or fragile, or fragile.exe.... all cmds were said to be illegal and that is after i followed the dosbox instructions for instructing dosbox to utilize my d: drive dvd player as the drive it should emulate in my puter.

3. where do i find that "cd label"?

4. where specifically am i supposed to install FA to on my puter? it defaults to prog files\interplay\fragile. even after letting it instal to there or ifi i install it to say " C:\oldgames\intrplay\fragile" dosbox still cant get the game to run, that was when it would ask for the damn CD.

5. what same mounts? "start the game with the same mounts you were using while installing it" quote from the dosbetatester reply

6. how do i do virtual HD's or virtual cd/dvd roms?

THerefore, if "striker" is still around I'd like striker to give me some other ideas in simple english. I DO NOT speak oldfashioned computer code!

oh another thing.... I also tried to utilize the instructions for doing a "imb mount" that whas a trip of confusion 🤣

how bout someone writing instructios for how to do that process!

what do u want someone to do???? mount the d drive as mount C:, then try to img mount that??? and i've already looked at the dos "intro" and intro mount sections... and that all was a nice way to waste 3 hours of my day.

oh and this is the only info that is on the disc: CD-ICD-296-1 and that it's win95 compatible.. so if anyone can show me what the CDLABEL is from that crap.. that would be nice!

and as far as the different levels for cdrom support?????? wtf this game is suppsoed to be written in dos and u're own website games section stated very clearly in your graphical representation that the game Fragile allegance is fully suppoeded by dosbox version 0.63 at the earliest

so what is the problem with it not working as advertized!!

thanks.. extremely frustrated but kindly to others who offer insite that can be utilized in a positive manner!

Reply 4 of 6, by Dominus

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Please calm down!

and as far as the different levels for cdrom support?????? wtf this game is suppsoed to be written in dos and u're own website games section stated very clearly in your graphical representation that the game Fragile allegance is fully suppoeded by dosbox version 0.63 at the earliest

so what is the problem with it not working as advertized!!

As much as it pains me to say this, the problem is not Dosbox, not the game but the user trying to utilize this - meaning you.
If you read the readme and the guides you should be able to do it, I'll help you anyway once more, just do as you are told and when there is a problem along the way, tell me at which step it occured.

1. search the readme for capture and you will find the answer (and it got nothing to do with capturing the mouse 😀)
2.3.4.5: You can get the CD label when you open explorer and look how the CD in your CD-Rom drive is called.
Delete everything you installed for FA up to now from that CD. Let's start over....
Make a directory in your c:\ drive called Games
put the CD into your CD-Rom drive, look up the label.
start Dosbox
enter the following in Dosbox. After each line press ENTER (I bet you can figure out where there are comments in my instructions, please do not enter these comments)
mount c c:\games
mount d d: -t cdrom -label Name OfTheCD (this assumes your CD-Rom drive is at D:)
d:
install (or maybe setup)

Now the installer should run. Let it install to C:\ to whatever subdir it wants to install to.
After the installation, enter this to get back to C:\
C:
now change to the directory that FA installed to by doing
cd NameOfTheDirectory
then start the game by typing the name of the game exe, probably fragile

Next time you start Dosbox do the mount commands from the beginning again.
mount c c:\games
mount d d: -t cdrom -label Name OfTheCD (this assumes your CD-Rom drive is at D:)
Then go to the C:\ drive in Dosbox and change to the game directory again (as above)....

Windows 3.1x guide for DOSBox
60 seconds guide to DOSBox
DOSBox SVN snapshot for macOS (10.4-11.x ppc/intel 32/64bit) notarized for gatekeeper

Reply 5 of 6, by ADDiCT

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mikey1871, do you think it's fun to tell 1.000's of people exactly the same stuff, which they could have read in the readme or the faq's if they weren't so lazy? DOS is not Windows (as stupid as that may sound). There's no "Setup and Run" with DOS games. You have to have some background knowledge, or you have to be willing to try some stuff, in order to be able to play DOS games. If you're not willing to use your brain and spend some time trying stuff, you should play Windows games.

so what is the problem with it not working as advertized!!

There's no such thing as "advertising" with DOSBox. We're trying to help people on VOGONS because we're a friendly bunch of people. We're not getting payed for this stuff.

Reply 6 of 6, by wd

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how bout someone writing instructios for how to do that process!

Has already been done. You just forgot to search for it, or did not read it.
Nothing to add.